| peter |
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| 25/02/08 05:41 AM |
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my dad came by today with a supprice, a friend of his gave up hunting, so my dad had to buy this one for the grand price of 100$.
as he said it looked nice and i always have room for one more. the gun looks like new. i havent desided what to do with it yet.
the lock
more of the gun
the number is 1832xx, anybody know more about it
peter
| 500Nitro |
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| 25/02/08 06:05 AM |
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Very nice indeed.
| Nakihunter |
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| 25/02/08 02:22 PM |
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Beautiful! Would your dad like to double his money?
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| 25/02/08 03:53 PM |
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Your gun or your Father's looks a lot like one I bought in 1983 for about $400 new. Simson Suhl was an East German gunmaker. I purchased mine after looking for my first side by side for several months. Then a week later a shotgun was returned from an order which I had put my name down for but the gunshop rotters had given to someone else. This shotgun was a nice Spanish Azhur 12 gauge, so I ended up driving back to the city to buy a second one a week after the first. A story with hindsight where one did not get away for once!
$100 for that shotgun in perfect condition is a steal.
How is your gun choked? Mine seemed to be choked FULL and EXTRA-FULL!
| dale |
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| 26/02/08 05:24 PM |
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Hey Peter,
Super nice gun in fantastic condition. Have one very similar except mine has a cheekpiece and nowhere near as good of condition. Is it a 12 or 16? Is it dated on the bbl. flats? Mine is choked very tight as is NitroX.
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| 03/04/08 01:55 AM |
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Looks same as the one I took the barrels for my merkel DR project.
I think they are the same guns and they were sold from separate stores.
Merkel did a lot of guns to other makers not only simson, some sauer post WW-II guns are merkels as well.
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| 16/07/21 07:42 PM |
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Quote:
Looks same as the one I took the barrels for my merkel DR project.
I think they are the same guns and they were sold from separate stores.
Merkel did a lot of guns to other makers not only simson, some sauer post WW-II guns are merkels as well.
Interesting that comment re a Simson Suhl may be a Merkel?
| DarylS |
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| 17/07/21 12:25 AM |
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Quote:Quote:
Looks same as the one I took the barrels for my merkel DR project.
I think they are the same guns and they were sold from separate stores.
Merkel did a lot of guns to other makers not only simson, some sauer post WW-II guns are merkels as well.
Interesting that comment re a Simson Suhl may be a Merkel?
Interesting - seems to me Tradeexcanada sells Simsom Suhl shotguns. I should look into those a little more closely. they are not expensive.
| kuduae |
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| 17/07/21 03:56 AM |
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Quote:Quote:
Looks same as the one I took the barrels for my merkel DR project.
I think they are the same guns and they were sold from separate stores.
Merkel did a lot of guns to other makers not only simson, some sauer post WW-II guns are merkels as well.
Interesting that comment re a Simson Suhl may be a Merkel?
Post-WW2, in GDR times, the communist had amalgamated all the Suhl factories into the “Ernst-Thaelmann-Werke , ETW”(named after a commie “martyr”). To streamline production they greatly reduced designs o jus one type each for side by sides and drillings, retaining some more for over-unders. All s-s guns were made at the former Simson factory, all o-us at the former Gebrueder Merkel factory and drillings by the “Fortuna”, former Sauer & Sohn factory. So s-ss were usually marked “Simson”, o-us “Merkel”. But the GDR export organization had put any name a local market desired on the guns they sold abroad. As mebers of the Simson family, the former owners, were still alive and owned the trademark, the ETW could not sell “Simson” guns in some countries. So they simply marked s-ss “Merkel” to make them legal. It’s little wonder that a post-war Simson looks exactly like a Merkel of the same vintage: both were made by the same men on the same machines at the same factory and differ in branding only.
| DarylS |
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| 17/07/21 06:09 AM |
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Tks Kuduae
The Simsons at tradeexcanada run $295.00 to $595.00 CDN depending on condition.
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| 17/07/21 03:22 PM |
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Quote:Quote:Quote:
Looks same as the one I took the barrels for my merkel DR project.
I think they are the same guns and they were sold from separate stores.
Merkel did a lot of guns to other makers not only simson, some sauer post WW-II guns are merkels as well.
Interesting that comment re a Simson Suhl may be a Merkel?
Post-WW2, in GDR times, the communist had amalgamated all the Suhl factories into the “Ernst-Thaelmann-Werke , ETW”(named after a commie “martyr”). To streamline production they greatly reduced designs o jus one type each for side by sides and drillings, retaining some more for over-unders. All s-s guns were made at the former Simson factory, all o-us at the former Gebrueder Merkel factory and drillings by the “Fortuna”, former Sauer & Sohn factory. So s-ss were usually marked “Simson”, o-us “Merkel”. But the GDR export organization had put any name a local market desired on the guns they sold abroad. As mebers of the Simson family, the former owners, were still alive and owned the trademark, the ETW could not sell “Simson” guns in some countries. So they simply marked s-ss “Merkel” to make them legal. It’s little wonder that a post-war Simson looks exactly like a Merkel of the same vintage: both were made by the same men on the same machines at the same factory and differ in branding only.
Thanks Kuduae.
I have looked at my side by side Simson Suhl in the past and yes it looks exactly like many side by side Merkels. Simple shotguns with colour case actions etc. Mine cost me A$400 in 1983.
Perhaps you will know. I believe there were different sizes of Merkel side by side? Some claimed the Merkel rifles were made on the same actions as the shotguns? But others have said the rifle actions are more sturdy? I had a good look at my Simson Suhl and it seemed to me to be of lesser dimensions etc than the Merkel rifles. Do you know and can you elaborate? Thanks a lot if you can.
If the Simson / Merkel shotgun actions are strong enough for double rifles, great news! I have a shotgun. Perhaps a set of rifle barrels for it one day.
Though a second hand existing Merkel double rifle in .470, .400 or even a .500 probably would be cheaper to pay for! 
| ducmarc |
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| 01/10/21 02:22 AM |
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Have the same one too bought it for a double rifle but bought a cogswell.think I paid 850.about 4 years ago.needed a greener xbolt and it was all I could find at the time.pm me if someone wants one.
| crshelton |
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| 01/10/21 11:49 PM |
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This .405 DR was made on a Simson & Co. Suhl action by Birdhunter50 a few years ago and is documented on this forum.
