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G'Day Fella's,

Thanks for sharing Ripp.

Looks to be a Winner, and yes, Savage know how to make rifles shoot, out of the box (generally).
The other thing about these rifles, is the injected Polymer stocks, are vertually indestructible.
They may not be the prettist thing available but ......
Wood, Fibreglass and Carbon Fibre stocks will break (around the wrist/pistol grip), when you have a fall, etc, in mountain/alpine county, that won't happen with a Polymer stock.

D'oh!
Homer

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OH, it will be a shooter.. the barrel is huge..and its a PROOF.. and they have great triggers with their accu-trigger design.. will make a great all purpose, not worry about it type of gun...

Amazing how many gun manufacturers are now using PROOF barrels.. Gunwerks, Weatherby, Savage, and more.. amazing that little factory in N Montana is able to keep up....

Your correct.. especially the action, they are not much to look at..but pretty sure the coyote, deer, bear or elk won't care about that as much as what is headed their way out of it..

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Makes all my CF rifles look like overgrown clubs.

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They all have their place.. at least that is what I keep telling my wife..

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Certainly seems to want to shoot! lol

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Damn Savage, I will probably have to make room for one. It was always hard to not by one but always had the standard calibres I wanted, maybe the 280 or 6.5PRC

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That's how My Browning A-3 shot with Winchester 180gr. bonded and R-P 180gr. Corelocts factories.
1st handloads shot the same, so I sold it, no fun there working up loads.
(that and the bolt would sometimes come out when ejecting a round)

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Next time my hunting mate Marty talks about "planet-of-the-apes" rifles, I comin' right back at him with "Darth Vader's Toilet Brush"!!

Thanks for that, vykkagur!

Your sentiment is a frequent topic of our gun-related conversation!

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Sigh. Okay, I won't try to dispute that it's probably an excellent performer. Science marches on, yadda, yadda... But why does high-tech have to mean butt ugly, "'75 Corvette with Rosy O'Donnell behind the wheel in a tank-top and army boots" butt ugly? Just because it's got to have a cutting-edge polymer stock, why can't it be nicely styled, instead of trying to look like Darth Vader's toilet bowl brush? Helically-fluted bolts are the firearms' equivalent to Hollywood pipes, and will somebody please, please explain to me the functionality of the current fad, square trigger guards on rifles? They belong on assault rifles and machine guns. I wish once, just once, when one of these kids designs yet another gee-whiz, super-duper new and improved rifle, he would show some respect for the history that got him here and try to design it to be something someone would be proud to carry to the range or in the field, without looking like he belongs in one of those iditotic Huskemaw "tactical hunter" commercials.

There will now be a pause while I wipe the foam away from the corners of my mouth...

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I don't bother wiping away my froth. I let it collect in my beard like drool.

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Sigh. Okay, I won't try to dispute that it's probably an excellent performer. Science marches on, yadda, yadda... But why does high-tech have to mean butt ugly, "'75 Corvette with Rosy O'Donnell behind the wheel in a tank-top and army boots" butt ugly? Just because it's got to have a cutting-edge polymer stock, why can't it be nicely styled, instead of trying to look like Darth Vader's toilet bowl brush? Helically-fluted bolts are the firearms' equivalent to Hollywood pipes, and will somebody please, please explain to me the functionality of the current fad, square trigger guards on rifles? They belong on assault rifles and machine guns. I wish once, just once, when one of these kids designs yet another gee-whiz, super-duper new and improved rifle, he would show some respect for the history that got him here and try to design it to be something someone would be proud to carry to the range or in the field, without looking like he belongs in one of those iditotic Huskemaw "tactical hunter" commercials.

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I like my rifles like my former Canadian girlfriend.. fugly.. that way no one will want to steal either..

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Butt ugly looks of the stock. There are several rifles that have butt ugly stocks, the Aussie Lithgow's, Styer Pro Hunter but guess what? They work and they shape works better than the -what I consider - sweet looking stock shapes. Their shape and dimensions don't work well with pen sights unless you have tall sights but they put the eye where it needs to be with scopes that have a 40mm or greater objective lens, hell they even work with 32mm objective lens's. The shape and dimensions are, I agree, butt ugly, but very functional.

Polymer stocks, not a problem as they are functional but I do like a well shaped and dimensioned wooden stock with good grain-not fancy - and colour.... sweeeet.

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Exactly.. would be impossible for me to care any less how it looks while I am out hunting. Apparently I am not alone, look at all the people out hunting with mausers..

They work incredibly well for what I am doing.. and shoot even better.. so, go ahead, laugh all you want.. meanwhile I'll be enjoying a nice glass of wine with my elk steak..

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"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun."

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"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun."

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Life is to short to hunt with a tomato stake.

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"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun."

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"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun."

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Exactly.. would be impossible for me to care any less how it looks while I am out hunting. Apparently I am not alone, look at all the people out hunting with mausers..

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And I'm sure you were referring to the current product line from "Mauser", and not the classic family of rifles that we all know and admire...

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Just referring to the historical tomato stakes M98 and the like, not the current green friendly types like the savage

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Steady on, old boy! Just because the Savage is ugly, there's no need to relegate it to horticultural duty just yet. At least wait for the hideous plastic fittings to start breaking off first.

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Just referring to the historical tomato stakes M98 and the like, not the current green friendly types like the savage

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Let this be a lesson, boys and girls, on the sad consequences of inhaling the toxic fumes given off plastic firearms.

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Exactly.. would be impossible for me to care any less how it looks while I am out hunting. Apparently I am not alone, look at all the people out hunting with mausers..

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I made that comment in jest, but actually no. And I will probably be banned off of all firearms sites for life.. But they do nothing for me. Never have. At this state of life, (I'm old) pretty sure that won't change. Fully agree there is nothing much nicer than a beautifully wood stocked rifle for Africa or other destinations. Have plenty of them but they mostly reside in the safe. For what and where I hunt, I'll take a synthetic every time.. no change on POI because of rain, snow, cold, or whatever.. don't care about scratches and niches, etc.. and I like how they look..

Look at it this way, me not liking them leaves more for everyone else...

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Exactly.. would be impossible for me to care any less how it looks while I am out hunting. Apparently I am not alone, look at all the people out hunting with mausers..

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I made that comment in jest, but actually no. And I will probably be banned off of all firearms sites for life.. But they do nothing for me. Never have. At this state of life, (I'm old) pretty sure that won't change. Fully agree there is nothing much nicer than a beautifully wood stocked rifle for Africa or other destinations. Have plenty of them but they mostly reside in the safe. For what and where I hunt, I'll take a synthetic every time.. no change on POI because of rain, snow, cold, or whatever.. don't care about scratches and niches, etc.. and I like how they look..

Look at it this way, me not liking them leaves more for everyone else...

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True on all counts, my friend. I freely admit that synthetic is the way to go for a working rifle in harsh conditions, and I fully support your right to like the weapon of your chosing. If I were an Alaskan guide or someone else who depended on his rifle as a tool of his trade in all weathers, I'd definitely be carrying a stainless/synthetic. I don't argue the functional superiority; I just wish the skinny-jeans kids that "style" them wouldn't try so hard to make them not look "like granddad's rifle", that's all.

And we sure do appreciate that you're leaving more of the good stuff for us. We're returning the courtesy!

Don't worry if you get banned for not liking walnut and blued steel; you can always go over to the black rifle forums. Those junior G.I.Joes will welcome you with open arms. They were injection-moulded at birth.

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I made that comment in jest, but actually no. And I will probably be banned off of all firearms sites for life.. But they do nothing for me. Never have. At this state of life, (I'm old) pretty sure that won't change. Fully agree there is nothing much nicer than a beautifully wood stocked rifle for Africa or other destinations. Have plenty of them but they mostly reside in the safe. For what and where I hunt, I'll take a synthetic every time.. no change on POI because of rain, snow, cold, or whatever.. don't care about scratches and niches, etc.. and I like how they look..

Look at it this way, me not liking them leaves more for everyone else...

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True on all counts, my friend. I freely admit that synthetic is the way to go for a working rifle in harsh conditions, and I fully support your right to like the weapon of your chosing. If I were an Alaskan guide or someone else who depended on his rifle as a tool of his trade in all weathers, I'd definitely be carrying a stainless/synthetic. I don't argue the functional superiority; I just wish the skinny-jeans kids that "style" them wouldn't try so hard to make them not look "like granddad's rifle", that's all.

And we sure do appreciate that you're leaving more of the good stuff for us. We're returning the courtesy!




Don't worry if you get banned for not liking walnut and blued steel; you can always go over to the black rifle forums. Those junior G.I.Joes will welcome you with open arms. They were injection-moulded at birth.

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Yes, been getting mailers daily from the PROUD BOYS..

Just so there is no confusion, I never said I wasn't a fan of walnut and blued steel, I just said most of mine stay in the safe .. but have many of that type including a WR double.. Actually have a custom in 416 on a mauser action (heaven forbid) .. that has never seen the field.. sad I know..

As to the black rifle club.. also have no problem with them.. love them actually.. a ton of fun and very handy should a group like ANTIFA show up in the neighborhood...

Fortunately we still have the ability to buy most of what we want here... which is a very nice option to have in today's crazy out of control world..

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I remember the first blued/walnut rifle I ever bought.. Was NOT an expensive rifle by any means..but at the time I had saved for 2 years to buy it.. put the first scratch's on the stock..was sick about it for a week..

I also feel the reason there are so many synthetic is demand as well as cost.. people like them.. impervious to weather, don't care if you drop them down a ravine , and lighter weight to name a few .. the MTN rifles of today compared to the "light" rifles of days gone by hold a vast difference to one another.. I'll take today's version.. for all the reasons mentioned above.

There isn't a whole lot of things prettier than a beautifully wood stocked rifle with polished blue steel.. no doubt.. but for the real world of hunting, just like in college, I'll take the so called ugly ones..

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Sorry for being late to the party. Normally I let you guys just go ahead with these critiques and offer no comments. You guys actually do a good job with out my helpat pointing out possible faults.

But, or is this butt? You guys has sure failed in this one. You put Rosie in the seat of the Corvette when you should have put Twiggy there.

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Reduction in cost through plastic stocks, should allow more to be put into the barrels and chamberings - does it or is it just more profit due to the reduction in manufacturing costs?
They do seem to have increased the costs of these 'black guns' over the cost of wooden stocked guns of the same chamberings.

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The main reason for all the plastic stocks by makers is simply cost. They are cheaper to make and cheaper for the buyer to buy.

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The main reason it is what it is? Cost.

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6 pounds + scope, so a 7 lb. .308 or 6.5 PRC through .30/06 wouldn't be bad.
The magnum cases, no thanks.
A friend of mine has an older Savage .300WinMag that is very light - 7 pounds with scope, he says. It is brutal to shoot at the range until he had a brake made for it. Now of course it weighs a tich more and is some 2" longer.

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Reduction in cost through plastic stocks, should allow more to be put into the barrels and chamberings - does it or is it just more profit due to the reduction in manufacturing costs?
They do seem to have increased the costs of these 'black guns' over the cost of wooden stocked guns of the same chamberings.

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