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Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
| mchughcb |
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| 19/02/19 11:31 PM |
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No reason why you can't get a custom smith the USA who is making a whole heap of custom barrels for the R93 and R8.
With regards to the 45/70, on the sweetest handling doubles I've held was a fausti sxs in 45/70. In fact there is a cheapy on usedguns at the moment.
But I consider the 45/70 the rainbow warrior. Better to get a R93 416 Remington and blast away out to 300m.
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| 19/02/19 11:47 PM |
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Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
Now thats not even a sporting attempt to stir the pot!!!!
Everyone knows the Blaser is the absolute be all and end all dangerous game travel rifle with flawless functioning.... Married to a dinosauer stopper like the .45-70 it would be the last word in DG rifles!!!!! I’ll need to dump one of my archaic doubles to raise the money to buy the far superior Blaser the moment it hits the store shelves......
| mchughcb |
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| 20/02/19 12:26 AM |
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Lol, don't waste your money.
| Ripp |
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With regards to the 45/70, on the sweetest handling doubles I've held was a fausti sxs in 45/70. In fact there is a cheapy on usedguns at the moment.
Agreed--- I too once shot a double at the local range--was a ton of fun and very mild to shoot...
NOT taking the bait John...
Ripp
| DarylS |
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I'll bite.
Actually, any bolt gun capable of handing a standard belted magnum ctg. can easily work with the .450 Marlin, the belted magnum modern version of the old 1873 era 2.1" 45/70.
THE .450 Marlin is the 'modern' commercial equivalence to my old .458 2" "American", a wildcat ctg. of the 50's I expect.
In my VZ34 action with 22" bl. I ran the same powder charge with 350, 400 and 500gr. jacketed bullets in my .458 2", achieving 2,296fps, 2,170fps and 2,059fps respectively.
Strung out near max. in a bolt action rifle, they can easily best 2,300fps with 350's and 2,200fps with 400's.
The 500gr. Hornady at 2,059fps was very close to a maximum load.
My loads gave duplicate velocities in a friend's 24" .45/70 Argentine Mauser I helped him build back in the late 70's.
Done up in a bolt gun, there are no flies on the old .45/70 (.450 Marlin)
Even better, is the .458 Alaskan, my rebated rim version of the .450 Alaskan. It easily made over 2,150fps with 500gr. Hornadys- form the 2.1" .348 case blown out with rim turned to .532" and new extractor groove cut. I sold the rifle but still have the brass - 50 to 100 rounds of it, not sure #.
| 3DogMike |
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Dangerous Game Blaser in .45-70......or just a Blaser
| 500Boswell |
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| 20/02/19 09:10 AM |
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One Rifle for the World !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Blaser R8 in 45/70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| mchughcb |
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| 20/02/19 09:14 AM |
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You can always get a 45 blaser which will give similar ballistics allegedly.
| Ripp |
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One Rifle for the World !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Blaser R8 in 45/70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| Sarg |
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| 20/02/19 12:14 PM |
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What Daryl said on the .45/70 for sure !
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| 20/02/19 01:28 PM |
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At the time I was thinking of heading to Africa, late 70's, in a conversation to Elmer Keith, he suggested I should work with the Lyman #562560 mould I was having good results with & getting 1,960fps with the 560gr. bluff nosed bullet. Energy wise, that's 4,778fpe from the .458 2". the .450 Marlin and .45/70 will do the same, from a decent bolt gun, as long as they have a bit of a leade, maybe 1/4" to 3/10".
Cast of WW hardened to brinel 30, he said it would definitely break both shoulders of ANY cape buffalo and find the brain of any bull elephant. When I told him the overall loaded length of my ammo, he noted it was more of a .458 on a 2.4" case, than a 2" case. I had to agree of course as my chamber had a 3/8" freebore or leade.
I haven't made it to Africa, yet. Oh well.
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At the time I was thinking of heading to Africa, late 70's, in a conversation to Elmer Keith, he suggested I should work with the Lyman #562560 mould I was having good results with & getting 1,960fps with the 560gr. bluff nosed bullet. Energy wise, that's 4,778fpe from the .458 2". the .450 Marlin and .45/70 will do the same, from a decent bolt gun, as long as they have a bit of a leade, maybe 1/4" to 3/10".
Cast of WW hardened to brinel 30, he said it would definitely break both shoulders of ANY cape buffalo and find the brain of any bull elephant. When I told him the overall loaded length of my ammo, he noted it was more of a .458 on a 2.4" case, than a 2" case. I had to agree of course as my chamber had a 3/8" freebore or leade.
I haven't made it to Africa, yet. Oh well.
Last I checked you can still hunt buffalo Daryl..its never too late..
| DarylS |
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| 20/02/19 03:14 PM |
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LOL - I might have wanted a buff at some point, but a bison is a preferred critter and one I've several guns that will work just fine.
I don't have that rifle any more. Buddy of mine HAD to have it, so I sold it to him.
I do have the reamer, though, for both, .458 2" and .450 Alaskan/.458 Alaskan.
I have heard the barrel must be stamped with the calibre, thus wildcats not stamped might not be admitted? Is this so?
| Sarg |
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| 20/02/19 05:11 PM |
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I think it depends on what country your hunting in Daryl, I took my .458Win over as a work gun last year & it had no caliber marking at all on it, just whizzed into Johannesburg.
Im still trying to get over for a Wood Bison in Alberta some time & have points on a Bison hunt in SD if I make the draw !
| Rod4861 |
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| 20/02/19 07:44 PM |
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Quote:
Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !
Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)
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LOL
| Rule303 |
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Quote:Quote:
Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !
Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)
Rod you will need the "SUMMER" standard electrical tape or it will fall off in the heat over there.
Daryl, no need for you to laugh. Don't use the SUMMER standard in your neck of the woods as it will freeze solid, become brittle and break.
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Quote:Quote:Quote:
Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !
Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)
Rod you will need the "SUMMER" standard electrical tape or it will fall off in the heat over there.
Daryl, no need for you to laugh. Don't use the SUMMER standard in your neck of the woods as it will freeze solid, become brittle and break.
Yeah Greg. I saw that on the internet too !
Cheers Rod
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| 21/02/19 11:54 AM |
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Has anyone else noticed this?
In the Star Wars movies, their laser "firearms" were called 'Blasters'. And Blasers are an attempt at space age modern firearms. Only the T is missing. Is this a coincidence? :O
| DarylS |
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| 21/02/19 12:18 PM |
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Nothing worse than brittle tape.
We use the summer stuff to seal the muzzles of our rifle to
keep water (late season rain or snow), spruce, pine and fir
needles, or mud out of the bores of our tree oh trees & .45/70's.
| Postman |
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| 23/02/19 01:32 AM |
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Nothing worse than brittle tape.
We use the summer stuff to seal the muzzles of our rifle to
keep water (late season rain or snow), spruce, pine and fir
needles, or mud out of the bores of our tree oh trees & .45/70's.
Sealing the muzzle with a bit of tape is good to keep the rain and small twigs out of the bore. It is especially effective for hunting the thick cedar swamps where loose twigs and other flotsam readily falls off the trees and somehow finds its way into actions, bores, and down the back of one's shirt.....
Another very effective method I've seen employed is to use a non-lubricated condom...... The lubed ones can be hygroscopic and could promote rust......... The other advantage of using condoms is that when you run into one of those remote northern girls, you can get her all giddy and worked up by complementing her on her lovely smile and "nice tooth" and voila, relocate the condom from your rifle's barrel to your own, and you're set!!! Like the boy scout's motto suggests: "Be Prepared"
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| 23/02/19 02:52 AM |
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Pretty common technique, ie covering a muzzle with electrical insulation tape.
Now my Mauser M03 in .404, comes with little orange plastic inserts for the muzzle.
Back to the .45/70 Blaster. I'm glad Daryl mentioned 540 gr hard cast flat meplat projectiles as being effective.
I remember one of the "internet's" key effective recipes for them was they had to be driven really slow, the slower they were pushed the better they perform.
Obviously that magical flat meplat performs, as it makes the "bubble" that magiucally increases a flat meplats effective killing calibre size. A spitzer or round nose of course does not make the magical meplat "bubble" and only drills through a calibre sized hole, but the flat meplat, two or three calibre wound channels. Magic!
But for the .45/70 it must also be driven very slowly. To even be more magical.
Now Daryl is right. A 540 gr Hard Cast projectile will work in the .45/70. Seen one test on a elephant's skull on a fresh kill in Matetsi in Zimbabwe. Not sure about the slower the better though, except too fast might be counter production in the lead bullet might shatter instead. Which is a different story to "being slower, increasing penetration".
Now if I had a .45/70 Blaster, I would load it instead with 400 to 450 gr Barmes X's or a similar bullet. The lesser projectile weight would allow better velocity. And the "Blaster" isn't hampoered by a ridiulous 19th Century tubular magazine where pointed projectiles cause chain reaction explosions ...
| DarylS |
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| 23/02/19 05:21 AM |
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560gr., but what's 20gr.?
The suggestion by Elmer to use the 560gr. at 1,960, instead of the 500gr. jacketed RN at 2,059fps, was due to Elmer surmising that the cast would out-pen the jacketed bullet.
He did not trust Barnes copper tubing solids in lighter weights - or standard for that matter, preferring the steel jacketed ones covered with guilding metal, or a hard cast bullet as noted.
Yes - could have used the Barnes, however only the copper jacketed lead core bullets were available then - no such thing as a TSX or Copper Solid.
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| 23/02/19 06:01 AM |
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Hi Daryl,
The 540 grs was from my memory of wht the guy in the Matetsi actually used. Not to kill an elephant, but to test shoot into th skull of one he had just shot. To see how penetration worked in the skull. He and the PH seemed happy enough with the results. I think his "real" rifle did far better though. He claimed he was coming back the next year to use the .45/70 for his elephant hunt.
My attitude is and was "ho hum, who cares?"
I go for the fun of hunting, not for rich man's multiple trips and needing somethiung else to brag about back home.
I know from that experience however a .45/70 can kill a bull elephant with a skull shot. So can a .303 British btw. Maybe Blaser should chambered some Blasters in .303 British as well.
| 500Boswell |
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| 23/02/19 06:34 AM |
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Quote:And duct tape the bolt in so it doesn't hit you in the faceQuote:
Sorry couldn't resist it, trying to marry together all the most controversial trio in one post for long and endless discussion for any forum ...
BTW why doesn't Blaser chamber the .45/70 in its R8 rifles?
It truly would get viral internet exposure.
I wouldn't buy one unless they offered it in 45/70 Creedmore and threw in a roll of electrical tape to stop the magazine from falling out !
Rod (Dead - set serious icon needed)
| DarylS |
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| 23/02/19 06:39 AM |
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I understand FNFAL's will as well. Too, so will AK's if you shoot them enough - I suspect rib shots are the norm with those.
| Rule303 |
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I understand FNFAL's will as well. Too, so will AK's if you shoot them enough - I suspect rib shots are the norm with those.
The better part of a mag from an AK, up close into the heart and ole Jumbo won't go far.
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| 06/10/19 02:59 PM |
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Back to this 'old' thread.
Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?
| Rod4861 |
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Back to this 'old' thread.
Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?
https://tactoys.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInYnQtISH5QIVWXZgCh2IvAJDEAAYASAAEgJ4yvD_BwE
Rod
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Back to this 'old' thread.
Why hasn't someone created a new gun make called the "Blaster"?
https://tactoys.com.au/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInYnQtISH5QIVWXZgCh2IvAJDEAAYASAAEgJ4yvD_BwE
Rod
Ha ha smartarse.
I looked at them a couple of weeks ago. Really did not know about them before but was amazed that a full auto toy is legal, in Qld and SA, but probably not for long. Classified as firearms eg im NSW, the Police and Media have been putting out propaganda lies about all the "AK-47s" being confiscated in NSW. A "AK-47" gel blaster model was recently released ....
I reckon getting one, two or three would be fun. Start off with one, a good one, maybe an HK. And see how good or crap they are. The 'tactical' comps look fun as well. Maybe ...
Something to hang on the wall at least. Pathetic substitute for a real M4 or AR-15 but such is life.
I give it less than a year before they are controlled as more than a toy in SA. Even though cops have said they are toys, but be careful about using them, eg an idiot 'shot' someone at a fuel station and then a supermarket with a gel blaster ... the cops hinted about the danger of carrying these toys in public if police were called to attend.
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Actually was looking at the new Blas(t)er models just a while ago, and reckon some of the the super duper plastic pistol stocks for the Blas(t)er could be called Blasters! Will have to post some of the pics. Imagine one of these in .45/70!!! Cool!!!
| DarylS |
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| 07/10/19 01:46 AM |
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A decently strong action in .45/70 will easily duplicate my .458 2". We did this with an Siamese Mauser I barreled up for a lad.
350gr. 2,296fps
400gr. 2,150fps
500gr. 2,060fps
All with the same load in each bullet weight using either H335 or IMR4320.
| crshelton |
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Do not own (or need or want) a Blaser, but do own and use Miroku/Winchester 1886 in 45-70(458 2.1) and 1886 in 45-90(458 2.4) AND 1895 in .405 WCF with chamber extended to properly handle Woodie 400 grain bullets.
All have been to Africa and taken Cape buff and the 45-90 an ele. With the Woodie 400 grain solids, so can the .405.
Our bullet testing expedition showed that most heavy 400+ grain .458 bullets would kill buff, but that the cast bullets were more likely to shed weight, break apart, and deviate from course.
On ele, the most reliable were North Fork and Punch bullets; frontal brain shots from these shot through the brain skull, and on into the body and retrieval was accomplished by cutting them from the ele body.
My favorite solid for the .45-70 is the 450 grain Punch bullet at 2000 + fps; these PUNCH through a 5/8 in steel plate and ele heads.
Fave non solid tough bullet is the Alaska bullet works 450 grain JSP or FMJ at 2150 fps for all but the ele frontal brain shot where they only stun and do not penetrate the brain.
Blaser rifles ? I have nothing against a Blaser, but with a Winchester 1886, who needs them?
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| 09/10/19 09:43 AM |
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BTW, for those not able to operate a lever action rifle, there are also double rifles in .405, 45-70, and 45-90. Examples below:
.405 WCF using 300 and 400 grain bullets:
.45-70 using 300 and 400 grain bullets:
Not a Blaser in sight!
| DarylS |
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| 09/10/19 11:18 AM |
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Cool!
Years ago, while talking with Elmer Keith, he told me to load the Lyman #462560 (560gr.) with hardened WW's to 1,900fps to 1,950fps and don't worry about a thing in Africa. I was talking to him about cape buff, hippo and elephant. The rifle was a VZ Mauser .458 2".
He told me my load with Barnes Spitzer 400's (.049 jackets) at 2,150fps would be fine for all plains game and the cats.
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| 09/10/19 11:43 AM |
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Cool. I met Elmer while autographing his books in Dallas. Glad to have done so.
I found a great leopard load to be the Nosler 300 grain .458 Protected Point at 2200 fps. It would likely work well at less than 2000 fps, but we loaded them up to the max as recommended by Nosler.
Winchester Loaded their Supreme .458 PP to about 1850 and it was a supreme deer load.
| DarylS |
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| 09/10/19 03:53 PM |
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I got 2,400fps with 300gr., but in my rifle, they weren't accurate. keyholes, yet my rifle had a 15" twist.
All my loads were duplicated in a friend's Siamese Mauser, with exactly the same loads I used in the .458 "American".
They would work fine, likely in a re-barreled Model 71.
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| 10/10/19 12:00 AM |
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You guys are aware the majority of the hunters we love to read would have loved to use a blaser over what they had at the time..
Having said that, I’d like an R8 in .45 Blaser.
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"Having said that, I’d like an R8 in .45 Blaser." ???
So I looked up .45 Blaser and found there is such a European cartridge with specs much like the .45-70 !!!
Maybe the .45-70 is not so out of date after all? People keep re-inventing the wheel.
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You guys are aware the majority of the hunters we love to read would have loved to use a blaser over what they had at the time..
Ah ....... no they wouldn't ......
A Mauser is a far superior rifle any day of the year. for serious hunting.
I know I have looked at Blasers again and again, and thought, maybe, why not, then thought about one as a dangerous game rifle, and ..... you have to be kidding, no way, with a plastic fantastic ....
JMO. As a lightweight mountain hunting rifle, why not, can be used as a support if necessary when walking on tricky paths, as a client rifle for big shot trophy photos, as a very occasional .375 rifle for the once in a life time cape buffalo hunt, where the PH backs up the client with a real rifle, yes of course.
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And they do look like a Star Wars Blas(t)ers now.
What could be more perfect for a .45/70 dangerous game rifle!
Oops that excellent Blas(t)er image is about twenty times the size of a screen, need some editing ... done.
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The Blas(t)er doesn't look so bad in this promotional image. A pretend action scene where the jaeger isn't sitting in a hochsitz.
The .45 Blas(t)er:
From the net.
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The original cartridge made by Romey was designated 11.7x55 -not 11.6x53-, has no headstamp and was made for suppressed prototypes of the Erma SR-100 rifle made by Steyr, and also of the DSR No.1 rifle made by AMP TS GmbH (today’s DSR-precision GmbH). These rifles had interchangeable barrels in 11.7x55 and 7.62x51, and as these cartridges share the same rim diameter and total lenght, both could be used with the same bolt.
Early .45 Blaser cartridges advertised in 2002 as a new caliber for the R 93 rifle have an identical case profile, but it was later modified to have a shorter neck (higher shoulder). I assume that Blaser prefered a case with more capacity and a lighter bullet, instead of using a case with a long neck intended for heavy bullets (e.g., 500 gr). In any case, the original ballistic data was never altered.
This caliber seems to have been dropped by Blaser since 2012.
Makes sense as a suppressed cartridge I guess. Can see very easily why they dropped it from their line up.
What velocity did it get with a 500 gr bullet? Or other weight?
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Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!
I reckon they wouldn't make too bad looking gelcap toy rifles though.
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Nitrox said,"Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!"
and I agree. They do resemble plastic toys.
Different strokes for different folks! But not for me.
Now, the thought of their shape making them useful as a crutch, mmm
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Nitrox said,"Talking about transgender German rifles, these are getting really fricking ugly!"
and I agree. They do resemble plastic toys.
Different strokes for different folks! But not for me.
Now, the thought of their shape making them useful as a crutch, mmm
I was impressing myself, not that hard really, with my turns of phrase last night, "smooth like a super model's thigh", "transgender rifles", "suitable for gelcaps". ha ha. Just all for fun.
While on the subject of Blas(t)ers, or other rifles setup like this, I have a query for anyone who can answer on the suppressors or silencers. How do the full length barrel suppressors work?
I know how normal suppressors on the end of a barrel function. A tube is screwed onto the muzzle. The tube has baffles with a hole in the middle wider than the calibre, allowing the projectile to zip through. The chambers created by the baffles trap muzzle gases and the resultant noise. Reducing the bang of the gases escaping the muzzle. Often only a supersonic crack is heard.
If the "tube" extends down to the chamber of the barrel, are there baffles the full length of the barrel? Are the gases still released at the muzzle but diverted backwards to baffles located backwardd? Or, I doubt it, are there holes in the barrel to allow gases to escape further back than the muzzle?
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| 15/10/19 03:47 AM |
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Some form of a gas stripper, just larger than the bullet at the muzzle, to pull the gasses off it's base, and redirect them backwards down the shroud over the barrel.
With air rifles, there are no baffles inside the shroud around the barrel, but a series of baffles ahead of the muzzle before the end of the shroud/tube.(4 to 6" more than actual barrel length)
The shroud needs a couple holes around it's periphery at or near the action face, to relieve pressure.
This again, if for air rifles, but a similar system would work on powder burners, if baffles were also placed in the shroud, I would guess.
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| 15/10/19 10:00 PM |
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Thanks Daryl.
I wonder if there is anywhere a cutaway/xray type diagram showing how it works.
I assume a benefit is this sort of suppressor does not need to extend out from the muzzle like normal ones, meaning overall length is lessened.
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| 16/10/19 01:19 AM |
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The one I have, de-tuned (baffles removed) for the Canadian
Market, does extend past the muzzle, about 5" or 6". I have
seen others that do not extend much past the muzzle.
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https://youtu.be/3C2a4kRrzEM
| DarylS |
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8 inch moderator on that one.
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A previous post said this "With regards to the 45/70, on the sweetest handling doubles I've held was a fausti sxs in 45/70. In fact there is a cheapy on usedguns at the moment."
I too have seen a Fausti at a trade show and that would be a nice .45-70.
However, I plan to keep my Beretta .45-70 DR with 26 inch barrels. It is very accurate and those .458 bullets do make big holes with very little recoil:
And it is real purty too:
Plus with the right bullets (North Fork, Punch, etc) it easily shoots through an ele head and into the body. In fact, at 50 yards, the Punch shot through a 5/8 inch steel swinging target plate; the MV was just about 2000 fps. With that even a Blaster with a plastic thumb hole stock could be a DG rifle - but is it really needed?