kaizer2007
(.300 member)
11/09/09 05:03 AM
Rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

My new acquisition, is a rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR
7.62 x 39 Tula Arsenal:

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090007-a.jpg
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500Nitro
(.450 member)
11/09/09 05:06 AM
Re: Rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .



Why is it rare ?


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
11/09/09 06:06 PM
Re: Rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:



Why is it rare ?





Rarities I name that behaves already to history.
In this case to history of the USSR, country which actually was one of leaders on an extent from 1917 for 1994, the more so this weapon is historical yet and in that sense, that « used » by his creator Simonov as pre-production models as early as period of Second World war, - testing him on the fields of battle from 1944 .
Actually on the armament of SKS was in the USSR from 1949 for 1980, he passed Korean, Vietnamese and some other soldiery companies.
This SKS the Tula variant 1953 years and fully authentic with all brands and numbers.
His age presently already makes 56 years, that is why in my report a word is mentioned rarity .

With kind regards.


http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090001-1.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090028-1.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090027-1.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090031.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9090026-1.flv


500Nitro
(.450 member)
11/09/09 06:46 PM
Re: Rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .



Thanks.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
12/09/09 12:00 AM
Re: Rarity of SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Here measurings of this barrel of SKS leaden « by a ball »
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/P9100001.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/P9100002.jpg


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
13/09/09 01:38 AM
Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Bullet
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http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/P9110006.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/P9110002.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/P9110001.jpg
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darwinmauser
(.300 member)
17/09/09 06:02 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .



Kaizer , how hard is it to own firearms in the Ukraine ? Do you have access to rifles from all over the world .?

Kind Regards
Pete


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
17/09/09 11:36 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Looking how to go near this question.
If you strongly correct-that rather it is not what yes.
All former USSR it is continuous brains on that how to facilitate the life and existence!
That is not forbidden by the law of country-it is settled!
Many questions in our country do not have interpretation-consequently there is access to the decision of question.
Is my answer clear you?
Thank you.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
18/09/09 05:03 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Shot today for the first time after the purchase of SKS in a store without first zeroing the rifle at a distance of slightly over 100 meters, the wind side of 3-4 meters per second, + 25C degrees, pressure 755 mm.r.st..
Shooting with the open sight.
Links:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/-1170909.jpg

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9160001.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9160005.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9160010.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9160020.flv

http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/?action=view&current=P9160021.flv


darwinmauser
(.300 member)
18/09/09 06:12 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .



What make of ammunition were you using mate ??


darwinmauser
(.300 member)
18/09/09 06:15 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

Looking how to go near this question.
If you strongly correct-that rather it is not what yes.
All former USSR it is continuous brains on that how to facilitate the life and existence!
That is not forbidden by the law of country-it is settled!
Many questions in our country do not have interpretation-consequently there is access to the decision of question.
Is my answer clear you?
Thank you.




Er ...sort of


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
18/09/09 07:44 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:



What make of ammunition were you using mate ??




You asked where they naturally grow bananas - they both say variety?
Lugansk cartridge plant LPZ 7.62x39-8 http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/kristian555/76239-8.jpg
- the plant has a long history including the release 7.62x54R for Mosin (currently not available).


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
18/09/09 07:54 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

Quote:

Looking how to go near this question.
If you strongly correct-that rather it is not what yes.
All former USSR it is continuous brains on that how to facilitate the life and existence!
That is not forbidden by the law of country-it is settled!
Many questions in our country do not have interpretation-consequently there is access to the decision of question.
Is my answer clear you?
Thank you.




Er ...sort of




I will clarify my answer - Overpowered GOING THE WAY!
If you want to own a rifle and to exert maximum effort - you'll have it.
Concerning the possibility of purchasing rifles and shotguns from all over the world - it is possible, but not always, this feature corresponds to the real prices of goods sold in Ukraine - the price of guns and rifles are very overpriced!


darwinmauser
(.300 member)
18/09/09 10:53 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .


" real prices of goods sold in Ukraine - the price of guns and rifles are very overpriced! "

The Ukraine and Australia have something in common.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
19/09/09 01:22 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:


" real prices of goods sold in Ukraine - the price of guns and rifles are very overpriced! "

The Ukraine and Australia have something in common.



Yes.
Foremost in my Australia my acquaintances live is already a plus.
If to talk about a legislation,then it is necessary to know the exact legal hidden motive of this question, that sufficiently exact on him to answer.
Apparently general that.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
09/12/09 01:18 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

My SKS +(Tactical 551+Tactical 3x Magnifier Replica)





GroovyMike
(.300 member)
10/07/10 12:51 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

The SKS is a wonderful little carbine for short distance hunting of light skinned game. I've been developing a cast lead load with the 155 grain .312 diameter mold made by Lee. To date the best results have been with 15 grains of Alliant's 2400 powder.

I like the Russian made SKS, but the cheaper and more common Chinese made varieties work just as well. I do not care for teh Yugoslav version of the SKS and put mine up for sale this morning.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
10/07/10 03:14 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Yes, SKS good machine on distances from 100 meters to 300 meters.
Very successful variant for forest hunt on distances from 20 meters, for short shots.


Woodbeef
(.275 member)
21/07/10 11:51 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Nice 53 Tula refurb. How do you like the scope mount? Does it maintain zero once it's removed?

kaizer2007
(.300 member)
22/07/10 08:38 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

Nice 53 Tula refurb. How do you like the scope mount? Does it maintain zero once it's removed?



Hi.
It Holographic here practically there is not a requirement to on zero once it's removed.
My opinion,- the best variant it bracket of Kochetova or Choate for setting riflescopes.


GroovyMike
(.300 member)
22/07/10 10:26 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

In case anyone is interested, here's an SKS hunting story:



Just in case anyone wondered if the SKS rifles were suitable for hunting white tail deer - here is my experience using them for that:

God blessed me with my 3rd and 4th deer in 1997 when I was carrying Chinese made SKS using semi jacketed lead point ammo made in Germany and China respectively. Those bullets cost 9 cents each. On the opening day of NY’s southern zone regular deer season I had a tag for one antlered deer and one antlerless deer. I left my home before dawn and decided to hunt just a few hundred yards behind the house as the sun rose. I was hoping to catch deer passing along a deer trail that linked feeding and bedding areas. I stood between two maple trees leaning against the down hill tree and hoping that the other would block me from the sight of any deer uphill on the trail. The sun rose behind me turning the dark to grey and tingeing the sky with pink. I heard fat grey squirrels come down from their nests to search the fallen leaves for acorns and watched them play. One worked his way toward me, climbed a tree about 5 yards away and ran along a branch a few yards over head and into the tree I was leaning against. I saw a partridge hen fly down and feed through my field of vision. Both moved off to my left. My plan was to watch this trail during sunrise, then slowly work my way uphill and southward in an attempt to drive deer to my hunting companions if I didn’t see any. As the morning wore on I continued to hear the squirrels and partridge off to my left but paid little attention as I had seen the small animals already. But when I decided to move I worked my way in that direction walking quietly and cautiously along over the stone wall and from rock to rock to minimize the noise of my foot steps. I had travelled about 50 yards when I heard footsteps ahead of me. Well I thought – it’s waaaay too noisy to be deer but I’ll take a look to see what it is.

Peering down hill I saw not one, but TWO deer. The fork horned buck was following tight behind a doe. He must have heard, smelled, or sensed me because he looked back over his shoulder just as I settled the SKS’s hooded front site post into the V notch of the rear sight on his shoulders. They were +/- 70 yards away from me and about 20 feet down slope. The buck swung his head forward and launched himself into a bound that should have carried him safely out of sight safely behind thick brush – except that his lady friend was squarely in front of his chest mere inches away. He rebounded off her butt and twisted sideways bringing his front shoulder out of alignment with her hind quarters. That was the opening I had been waiting for. She was no longer in the bullet’s path. I sent the 123 grain projectile high into his left side, just over his heart. The bullet angled down and through the offside leg at the elbow.

Stunned by the noise and impact of the buck from behind, the doe wasn’t sure what was going on. I let her go. Somehow it just seemed greedy to drop them both. The buck fell about 5 yards away and was still breathing when I walked up to him for the coup de grace.

On the last day of the same season. I hunted up to the top of the hill and on to the adjacent property. I had attempted stalks on deer bedding at the top of the hill several times since opening morning without success. Each time they went down the hill on the far side as I approached and into thick pines where I could not see them. This time I followed them after I jumped them and tracked them into a stand of pines too thick for me to crawl through. I gambled that they were still in the thick growth and circled the grove to wait for them to emerge. I took a position inside a group of tall straight hardwood trees. It was a park like setting without undergrowth so from behind a large tree 50 yards away I had an unobstructed view of the pine thicket.

I waited patiently. I waited impatiently. I counted all 317 trees within sight. And then I waited longer.

Finally three does emerged from the pines and fed into view browsing on low growth just 50 yards away through the hardwoods. It was the last day of the season and I had a doe tag to fill. Which one should I take? I resolved to take the first one that offered an unobstructed shot. They fed bunched up for several yards until at about 75 yards one of them stepped away from the others offering the opportunity to squeeze a shot between two trees and through her heart. At the sound of the shot she leapt into the air and hit the ground dead. She folded on the spot with the single shot entering through the near side (knocking out an inch sized chunk of rib), then passed through the heart and exited between the ribs of the far side. She collapsed so suddenly that the other does looked at her curiously but did not flee until I began to walk toward them and shooed them away.

When I dressed the doe I found that the bullet had passed cleanly through her heat and the chunk of rib had slashed through the center of the heart horizontally cutting through all four chambers. When I opened her chest cavity warm blood literally poured out. Before I had finished field dressing her a rustle in the leaves and movement caught my eye as a snow white ermine flowed over the brown leaves like liquid silk drawn to the scent of blood. The little carnivore came within 5 yards before it spotted me, reversed direction and disappeared like white furred lightening. That was a very special moment. I felt like I had been visited by a woodland nymph. The memory is even more special because those stately park-like hardwoods were logged off the next spring. I probably had the last hunt of anyone in those old trees.

The Chinese made SKS certainly proved itself as a capable deer rifle with that double harvest. While the range was short (in both cases about 75 yards) I had two clean one shot kills with the bullets passing completely through both deer. I did give a second shot to the buck but it was only to speed his passing, he would have expired with a hole through both lungs rather quickly even without it. The jacketed soft point ammunition worked admirable and I have to believe that most soft point 7.62x39 would perform equally as well at ranges up to 100 yards or slightly beyond. Just how far you are willing to take a shot depends on your experience but I would say that if you practiced the shot and could reliably hit your target, that the SKS is fully capable of cleanly taking white tail deer out to 150 yards.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
23/07/10 01:58 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

In case anyone is interested, here's an SKS hunting story:



Just in case anyone wondered if the SKS rifles were suitable for hunting white tail deer - here is my experience using them for that:

God blessed me with my 3rd and 4th deer in 1997 when I was carrying Chinese made SKS using semi jacketed lead point ammo made in Germany and China respectively. Those bullets cost 9 cents each. On the opening day of NY’s southern zone regular deer season I had a tag for one antlered deer and one antlerless deer. I left my home before dawn and decided to hunt just a few hundred yards behind the house as the sun rose. I was hoping to catch deer passing along a deer trail that linked feeding and bedding areas. I stood between two maple trees leaning against the down hill tree and hoping that the other would block me from the sight of any deer uphill on the trail. The sun rose behind me turning the dark to grey and tingeing the sky with pink. I heard fat grey squirrels come down from their nests to search the fallen leaves for acorns and watched them play. One worked his way toward me, climbed a tree about 5 yards away and ran along a branch a few yards over head and into the tree I was leaning against. I saw a partridge hen fly down and feed through my field of vision. Both moved off to my left. My plan was to watch this trail during sunrise, then slowly work my way uphill and southward in an attempt to drive deer to my hunting companions if I didn’t see any. As the morning wore on I continued to hear the squirrels and partridge off to my left but paid little attention as I had seen the small animals already. But when I decided to move I worked my way in that direction walking quietly and cautiously along over the stone wall and from rock to rock to minimize the noise of my foot steps. I had travelled about 50 yards when I heard footsteps ahead of me. Well I thought – it’s waaaay too noisy to be deer but I’ll take a look to see what it is.

Peering down hill I saw not one, but TWO deer. The fork horned buck was following tight behind a doe. He must have heard, smelled, or sensed me because he looked back over his shoulder just as I settled the SKS’s hooded front site post into the V notch of the rear sight on his shoulders. They were +/- 70 yards away from me and about 20 feet down slope. The buck swung his head forward and launched himself into a bound that should have carried him safely out of sight safely behind thick brush – except that his lady friend was squarely in front of his chest mere inches away. He rebounded off her butt and twisted sideways bringing his front shoulder out of alignment with her hind quarters. That was the opening I had been waiting for. She was no longer in the bullet’s path. I sent the 123 grain projectile high into his left side, just over his heart. The bullet angled down and through the offside leg at the elbow.

Stunned by the noise and impact of the buck from behind, the doe wasn’t sure what was going on. I let her go. Somehow it just seemed greedy to drop them both. The buck fell about 5 yards away and was still breathing when I walked up to him for the coup de grace.

On the last day of the same season. I hunted up to the top of the hill and on to the adjacent property. I had attempted stalks on deer bedding at the top of the hill several times since opening morning without success. Each time they went down the hill on the far side as I approached and into thick pines where I could not see them. This time I followed them after I jumped them and tracked them into a stand of pines too thick for me to crawl through. I gambled that they were still in the thick growth and circled the grove to wait for them to emerge. I took a position inside a group of tall straight hardwood trees. It was a park like setting without undergrowth so from behind a large tree 50 yards away I had an unobstructed view of the pine thicket.

I waited patiently. I waited impatiently. I counted all 317 trees within sight. And then I waited longer.

Finally three does emerged from the pines and fed into view browsing on low growth just 50 yards away through the hardwoods. It was the last day of the season and I had a doe tag to fill. Which one should I take? I resolved to take the first one that offered an unobstructed shot. They fed bunched up for several yards until at about 75 yards one of them stepped away from the others offering the opportunity to squeeze a shot between two trees and through her heart. At the sound of the shot she leapt into the air and hit the ground dead. She folded on the spot with the single shot entering through the near side (knocking out an inch sized chunk of rib), then passed through the heart and exited between the ribs of the far side. She collapsed so suddenly that the other does looked at her curiously but did not flee until I began to walk toward them and shooed them away.

When I dressed the doe I found that the bullet had passed cleanly through her heat and the chunk of rib had slashed through the center of the heart horizontally cutting through all four chambers. When I opened her chest cavity warm blood literally poured out. Before I had finished field dressing her a rustle in the leaves and movement caught my eye as a snow white ermine flowed over the brown leaves like liquid silk drawn to the scent of blood. The little carnivore came within 5 yards before it spotted me, reversed direction and disappeared like white furred lightening. That was a very special moment. I felt like I had been visited by a woodland nymph. The memory is even more special because those stately park-like hardwoods were logged off the next spring. I probably had the last hunt of anyone in those old trees.

The Chinese made SKS certainly proved itself as a capable deer rifle with that double harvest. While the range was short (in both cases about 75 yards) I had two clean one shot kills with the bullets passing completely through both deer. I did give a second shot to the buck but it was only to speed his passing, he would have expired with a hole through both lungs rather quickly even without it. The jacketed soft point ammunition worked admirable and I have to believe that most soft point 7.62x39 would perform equally as well at ranges up to 100 yards or slightly beyond. Just how far you are willing to take a shot depends on your experience but I would say that if you practiced the shot and could reliably hit your target, that the SKS is fully capable of cleanly taking white tail deer out to 150 yards.





I am sure that SKS works very well with the opened breech-sight and optics from 50m. to 300m.on animals 200kg.-100kg..


DarylS
(.700 member)
23/07/10 03:00 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

200 kg = 440 pounds.

I would personally limit such a low powered round, ie; 123gr. at about 2,300fps to small deer out to 50 or 75yards.

That would be up to 50kg - 110pounds.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
23/07/10 03:38 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

200 kg = 440 pounds.

I would personally limit such a low powered round, ie; 123gr. at about 2,300fps to small deer out to 50 or 75yards.

That would be up to 50kg - 110pounds.






DarylS
(.700 member)
23/07/10 11:53 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

I don't care what that chart says - 123gr. bullet at 2,300fps is not a 300yards Caribou round, let alone a moose and elk round at any range. That's ridiculous in my opinion. Good Lord - it's a pop gun. It is much LESS powerful than a .30/30, and generally not as accurate as a M94 lever action, either. Spray and pray with large capacity clips - carry lots.

kaizer2007
(.300 member)
24/07/10 01:28 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

I don't care what that chart says - 123gr. bullet at 2,300fps is not a 300yards Caribou round, let alone a moose and elk round at any range. That's ridiculous in my opinion. Good Lord - it's a pop gun. It is much LESS powerful than a .30/30, and generally not as accurate as a M94 lever action, either. Spray and pray with large capacity clips - carry lots.



To my mind 30-30 and 7.62x39 so near each other...
I know very much many people which have on an account murder of bears, elk and wild boars.
My personal experience it wild babany to 150kg. on distance from 50 to 150 meters.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
10/05/11 04:51 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw

http://www.ipsc.org.ua/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3631&start=160
http://www.ipsc.org.ua/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5326


VonGruff
(.400 member)
13/05/11 12:53 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw






I sure dont think either of these two would have a hope in hell of taking anything at 300yds with what seems to be unfamiliarity with the rifle shown.

Von Gruff.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
16/06/11 02:48 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Quote:

Quote:

http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw






I sure dont think either of these two would have a hope in hell of taking anything at 300yds with what seems to be unfamiliarity with the rifle shown.

Von Gruff.




300yds for SKS not problem.
100yds 7,62x39 decides a question with a wild boar 100kg..


DarylS
(.700 member)
17/06/11 01:59 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

I know people who think the .22 Hornet is a wonderful deer ctg. as well. I just don't happen to agree.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
17/06/11 02:24 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

I used to have an SKK in 7.62x39 but lost it when we had semi-auto confiscations in Australia thanks to our anti-gun government.

Never used anything other than FMJ ammo in it, sometimes with the tips filed off. Wasn't that effective on game, due to the FMJ performance.

Can't see why it wouldn't be equal to a .30/30 with proper bullets and maybe better if spitzer projectiles are used.

BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.

I reckon with good 125 gr ammo it would do OK on smaller deer, pigs and goats, roos not a problem. At shorter ranges.


kaizer2007
(.300 member)
17/06/11 03:05 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

7.62x39 near on parameters to to .30/30-fact.
Yes-the best distance for firing to 100m..
At cartridges 7.62x39 there are bullets SP(154grn.) and HV(124grn.).



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I used to have an SKK in 7.62x39 but lost it when we had semi-auto confiscations in Australia thanks to our anti-gun government.

Never used anything other than FMJ ammo in it, sometimes with the tips filed off. Wasn't that effective on game, due to the FMJ performance.

Can't see why it wouldn't be equal to a .30/30 with proper bullets and maybe better if spitzer projectiles are used.

BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.

I reckon with good 125 gr ammo it would do OK on smaller deer, pigs and goats, roos not a problem. At shorter ranges.




lancaster
(.470 member)
17/06/11 04:08 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

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BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.






the AIA must be a real dandy rifle if you make a look alike Lee Speed from it


DarylS
(.700 member)
18/06/11 12:45 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

CZ makes or made the Model 527 in 7.62x39.

Been told that some of the military laquered steel case ammo is marked corrosively primed - others not.

I'm not against the ctg., just "in use that is perhaps that above it's station".

I do not see it as a 300yard ctg. for anything, let alone 300meters. At 100, with something other than a semi-auto, like the CZ, I can see it as a small deer or small pig round. I would not go purposely hunting black bears with one as I prefer more gun - that's a positive.

I have a rifle, chambered for a round I'd come up with back in 1982 that I called the .30/03 (or .30/35) (based on a shortened .303 or .35 Rem case = same base diameter) The rimmed for a magnum bolt, the rimless for a standard bolt.

I used the top 1 1/2" of a .30/06 reamer to cut the chamber. It is quite similar to the 7.62x39, as it is short, but has a .308" groove diameter to use standard bullets and a 12" twist all in a 1.6" long case.

The one I developed puts a 125gr. Speer out at 2,950fps, a 165gr. bullet out at 2,460fps & a 180gr. bullet out at 2,250fps. I have always considered this to be a 300yard Deer, black bear-caribou type of round, OK for moose and elk to about 150yards, maybe 200. This rifle makes sub 1/2" groups with all bullet weights at 100 meters.

It is considerably more powderful than the 7.62X39's 123gr. at 2,300fps(or less).

The standard comparrison is to a .30/30 - lets have a look, shall we?

A 30/30 can put a 170gr. bullet out a 20" barrel at 2,200fps to 2,330fps at 40,500CUP from a 24" bl. Richard Lee's handloading book shows 125gr. at 2,643fps producing 35,4000CUP & 150gr. at 2,450fps at 40,600CUP - a far cry from the 7.62x39 I think, but then, that's just me, sometimes a stickler for the smaller details like actual ballistics delivered.

In the .308" calibre, 125gr. and lighter bullets are used mostly for target shooting, bench rest or position competition at short ranges in the .30 BR, .308x1 1/2-type ctgs. or for shooting gophers using same ctgs. or others like the .308 and .30/06 by those who use the same guns for competition - I was one of those way back, using 110gr. Sierras and 125gr. Speers in my .308, then .30 BR, then this 'new' .30/03. The big game bullets pretty much started at 130gr., a Spire point made by Hornady, but these, due to soft jackets, were small deer bullets and were also designed for .30 cal. rifle ctg. in pistols - simply put, they were bullets for shooting runt deer, like in Texas.

After hearing all the stories about how tough hogs are, and after shooting the SKS round at the range, I'd be inclined to not hunt hogs with one. 100 pounds or less - I guess OK, 300 pounds with teeth - let me think this through - uh, no? could it be done, yes - the question for me, is should it be done?

Please pass me a real rifle chambered for a big game round. sorry - 7.62x39's are not my cup of tea when big game is on the menue. I see them as novelty rounds & guns, as in "lets see if I can kill THIS animal with THIS round - got to be careful now & make a perfect shot."


mauserand9mm
(.400 member)
18/06/11 10:59 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

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BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.




Yes the AIA would be ideal, but they don't seem to be producing them in this cartridge anymore - pity. I think there are production issues even with the 308Win version. Not technical issues but they just aren't being made to demand, but that's part of the problem - the new versions are quite expensive (a couple hundred bucks more than the CZ). The Zastava is much cheaper and represents better value for money IMO, if a new rifle was being considerred and the SKK magazine compatibility wasn't a consideration.

Second-hand AIAs in 7.62x39 are hard to find.


Homer
(.416 member)
20/06/11 07:30 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

G'Day Fella's,

There is also another Bolt Gun option available, in this cartridge!

After a couple of failed attempts, last week I finally purchased a second hand Norinco made, Model 701 rifle in 7.62 x 39 (apparently, they were also made in .308 Win and .??? Magnum)!
This Chinese made rifle is a copy of the Pre 64 Winchester Model 70, but the bottom of the action, the magazine box, mag spring and follower, have been machined and made to suit this cartridge.
It has a Hard Chrome lined, Four groove barrel of 0.3125" groove diameter. The hard chrome helps to protect the bore from the ravages of steel jacketed military bullets and corrosive ammo.

I hope to use this rifle, as a test bed for some Subsonic loaded ammo (using Trail Boss Powder) and some 150(.308") and 180 grain(.311") jacketed bullets. I would also like to get a bullet mould in 174 or 220grain, for the .303 British and have a bugger around with this as well!

Why any body would want to reinvent the wheel, with the .300 Whisper, when there was already a cartridge available to do the Same Thing in the Same (M16/M4) Rifle?
The M43 (Thats for 1943). Better known as the 7.62 x 39!
It really is, A Great Little Cartridge!!!

Hope this helps

Doh!
Homer


9.3x57
(.450 member)
20/06/11 10:52 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Ruger also made 7.62x39 Compacts. I want one. Discontinued for this year I believe. And of course others, Mini-30, etc.

We had very good results on deer, some big 200+ lb whitetails with the 7.62x39. I would consider it an excellent whitetail round, and would use it on black bear, too and even elk if I had a setup shot over a wallow or something like that.

Gazillions of hogs are killed with the round in the USA. Many pig shooters find it excellent especially in the handy rifles like the Mini-30.

One thing that must be remembered when using the 120-something bullets on game is that the velocity does not do to the bullet what .30'06 velocities do to similar bullets. We got excellent penetration with the 123 grain Hornady bullets and even shot some with Wolf HP's. Also used the caliber on "dogs" both coyote and feral domestic. I like the round. Little recoil, capable of excellent accuracy.

I loved/hated my CZ527. Very accurate, great trigger, just would feed worth a darn. Sold it.


lancaster
(.470 member)
21/06/11 05:32 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

I have also an eye on the ruger mini 30 but as a project for a pc sporter in .50 beowulf

Phillip
(.300 member)
21/06/11 07:56 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

If you can find a good one with a decent trigger,you can hunt with them,if not it's a spray and pray....which I did alot...


Homer
(.416 member)
21/06/11 08:05 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

G'Day Fella's,

Phillip, sounds like you were having some fun!
By the way, that's very fashionable footwear!!!

9.3, prior to some sawn off runt of a political animal (FJWH), making it clear, he no longer trusted us with our SKS rifles in Australia, it was my all time favorite (Out West), Pig Huntin Rifle!
As I have previously relayed to you all on this forum. We used to chase pigs on motor cycles, with the rifle, in a scabbard down the front forks of the bike. We used Chinese Ex-Military ammo and it done a very good job on the porkers!

Ah, those were the days!!!

Doh!
Homer


mauserand9mm
(.400 member)
21/06/11 09:15 PM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

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Ah, those were the days!!!




I remember them well too:







(Faces are obscured to protect the ugly )


DarylS
(.700 member)
22/06/11 12:22 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

Mauser - those pigglets are the perfect size for that round. I hadn't considered runts and badies when I said it was not a 'pig' or 'hog' rifle. I guess there are pigs, and then, there are 'pigs'.

NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
22/06/11 12:57 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

A lot of feral pigs in Southern Australia can be quite small. A lot of guys used to use 22 Mags (inadequate) but also .222's, .22/250s etc. A .243 is good too.

Some of the Southern pigs can get quite large however.

Northern Australia, to my experience often has a greater proportion and incidence of large pigs.

So a 7.62x39 is quite OK for many of our feral pigs. And with proper bullets and placement, also will handle the larger ones too.


mauserand9mm
(.400 member)
22/06/11 08:49 AM
Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 .

The piglets were part of a large mob that we decimated with the two M14s. They were located away from the main group as they were the last targets we focused on. Man, those little things can run and weave fast! But not fast enough heh...heh...heh...(evil laugh)

I know a guy that killed a medium size pig with his 17HMR - head shot of course. I also understand that they used to shoot buffalo in the spine from horseback using 303s. Personally I prefer to be overgunned these days



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