the needle fire double gun in czechia ist still for sale,find it again http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/245658-jehlovka-collath-vzacna/

you can have any bulino engraving in the universe and give me only this two dogs

and again a gun offered as "I dont know what it is but believe its a Dreyse or Collath"

"H. Burgsmuller by Dreyse 16 double barrel" http://www.gunbroker.com/item/640221096

ahhhh, my eyes! can anyone take this philips screws away please

well, its not a Dreyse ( Burgsmüller was primarly a wholesaler)or a Collath but another early german breech loading design ... the Leue und Timpe / Berlin
had it in this thread before

needle fire combination gun by "CH. FRIDEL IN MÜHLHAUSEN" SN 13
http://www.hermann-historica.de/de/zuend...mp;currentpos=6
16,5mm and 14 mm caliber

and a center fire bore rifle here
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=2

double rifle in 16/70 here sold directly by Leue & Timpe /Berlin, SN 676

the action is easily recognizable if you know it

http://www.icollector.com/Unique-Engrave...otgun_i17958971
16 ga double gun

"Unique Engraved and Gold Inlaid Leue & Timpe Underlever Side by Side Damascus Barrel Shotgun

This shotgun was manufactured before 1887. Heinrich Leue studied under his uncle Heinrich Barella before he moved on to working with Fritz Timpe and then finally with W.W. Greener. The receiver, under lever, striker cover and trigger guard have large amounts of floral scroll engraving. The top tang has "374" highlighted in gold along with a coat of arms also having gold highlights. The barrels have two gold inlaid bands at the breech end, have "H. LEUE & TIMPE KAISL. FRANZS. HOFBUCHSENMACHER. BERLIN." inlaid in gold on the rib, are choked cylinder/cylinder and have 2 1/2 inch chambers with an extractor. The water table is stamped on both sides "L195T" and the bottom flat of the barrels are stamped "L280T". There is a sliding firing pin block on the right side of the receiver. Mounted on a checkered walnut forearm and straight grip stock with a carved horn lower tang, raised right handed cheekpiece and a smooth steel buttplate. Length of pull is 14 1/2 inches. With a Birmingham proof certificate dated July 5th, 1988 stating it could not be proofed due to dented, distorted or pitted barrels.
"

a double rifle with a very unique trigger guard http://www.fischerauktionen.ch/auktion/objektZoom.aspx?oid=146833&num=0

probably also for bore cartridges

again miscalled "Engraved and Gold Inlaid Dreyse Side by Side Underlever Shotgun"
http://www.liveauctionworld.com/Engraved...otgun_i15312663

16 ga, SN 41

http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/leue-heinrich-of-berlin/