lancaster
(.470 member)
31/10/14 04:19 PM
Re: Dreyse Double

in the past i dont care about the other Dreyse gun's because they were not hunting gun's but the question is now for me if a look on this guns will help to understand the Dreyse serial number's better.
it seem's clear that military and police ordered weapen's have own blocks of serial numbers but could it be that all gun's made for the civilian market have following serial number's to the end?


neddle fire revolver, 039" and number 2628
Hermann Historica probably placed in right between 1865 and 1870


http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/a...;db=kat47_2.txt

nice little stutzen for the 0,34" number not clear to see but four-digit















http://www.antique-firearms.de/?id=2&ant=877&kt=1

revolver 0,39" number 6967
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/524880531543368619/


revolver 0,35", number looks like 4951


http://www.handgunsoftheworld.com/catalog/item/7369235/9213535.htm

single shot pistol, 034" number 15556
http://www.icollector.com/DREYSE-NEEDLEFIRE-BREECHLOADING-M1835-PISTOL_i17332833











single shot pistol 0,34" number 2018 and marked with N(icolaus) v. Dreyse
http://www.horstheld.com/0-dreyse.htm

Dreyse became "von" in 1864 and died in December 1867 so number 2018 must be between this dates




















single shot 0,34" number 7163 - this is marked with N.Dreyse so without the "v." ???
http://www.horstheld.com/0-dreyse.htm















revolver 0,39" number 11066







" Hello,
just for your information:
Your Dreyse needle-fire revolver with troop marking G.L.G.26 (not G.E.G.26.) has been bought from Prussia in 1880 and was in use with the Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Mecklenburg-Strelitz Land-Gendarmerie. So the marking is to be read as Großherzogliche Land-Gendarmerie Revolver N°26.
source: Adalbert Mila; Uniformierungs-Liste des Deutschen Reichs-Heeres und der Kaiserlichen Deutschen Marine, Berlin, 4. Auflage 1881.
Regard
U. L.
Thank you!"
http://www.horstheld.com/0-dreyse.htm

a 11066 serial number in the 1880s would fit fine into the shotgun number's!


revolver 0,35" number 5064
Franz v. Dreyse
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Odd%20Fel...%20Pistols.html




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0,35" number 1695 BUT marked Franz Dreyse

as we have seen 2018 must be made after the nobilitaion in 1864 so this must be made before. I only wonder that this revolver is marked with Franz Dreyse the son of Nicolaus who got the firm in 1867/68.









target rifle, 034" number 14956
http://www.lander-historic-arms.de/objekt.php?bildnummer=3&kat=1&a=140









single shot pistol 6mm Flobert number 37458
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/



revolver 0,34" number 593 F.Dreyse
again this Revolver is marked with Franz Dreyse whats in the end no wonder because it was Franz invention. the man who make the description here have some informations I am looking for:

"Zündnadelrevolver
F.Dreyse, Sömmerda um 1860
Kaliber .34 Preußischer Zoll, Seriennummer 593, double action. Achtkantiger Lauf mit gezogener Seele. Sechsschüssige Trommel. Rahmen mit Ziergravur, seitlich gestempelt "Cal. 0,34 12 Gran Pulv.". Über der Trommel silbertauschierte Herstellerbezeichnung "F. Dreyse", die Nadelhülse mit silbernern Bandeinlagen. Griffstück mit feinem Fischhautverschnitt. Metallteile mit Resten von Bläuung, teils fleckig. Stellenweise leicht narbig. Länge 29 cm.
Extrem frühe Ausführung mit niedriger Seriennnummer. Insgesamt wurden nur 13000 Revolver (zivil und militärisch) diesen Typs gefertigt."

very early revolver(indeed) low serial number make around 1860 ... in all only 13000 revolver were made.
or he have never seen a revolver over 13000 what follow my theory must be in the end of the 1870s when the revolver was outdated.





revolver 0,35" number 1694
Herman Historica date it arround 1865/66 buts is marked F.Dreyse/Sömmerda so before 1864
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/



revolver 0,35" number 5331 http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/
Hermann Historica date this revolver 4000 digits later again in 1865 ???? its markeds Franz v. Dreyse





revolver 0,39" number 6836 F.v. Dreyse
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/
auction description is not clear because they put it into the 1500 revolver bought in the war 1870/71. but they write about imperial eagle stamp on the revolver what could not be before 1871.
I will see if there is a number on a gun/rifle and on a revolver the revolver must be numbered for itself.




revolver 030" number 11041 Fv. Dreyse
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/





single shot pistol for the 9,5x47R number 29973 http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/
with a serial number close to 30000 it must be very late and indeed it have the crone+V stamp so made around 1891









revolver 0,35" number 3043 v. Dreyse Sömmerda
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/




single shot pistol number 30840 9mm caliber
http://www.hermann-historica-archiv.de/



revolver 0,35" number 5438 http://militaria-fundforum.de/mff_datenbank/showthread.php?115389-Dreyse-Z%FCndnadel-Revolver













next step will be to make a list of this guns to see if numbers will be seen twice but it looks like all guns will fit into one list of serial numbers. I will see whats possible to find some landmarks for date the guns better.
I have the RMS Sömmerda (früher v. Dreyse'sche Gewehrfabrik) ammo catalog. its without a date but contain the 6,35 Browning/25 ACP which came on the market in 1904. under needle fire ammunition you read " when order ammunition for guns made in our factory please give the serial number of the gun to avoid problem's". so in this time they had the complete records for all civilian gun's to find out which ammo you need. this was important because there are special made gun's for early cartridges in time's when they were official replaced in production by new model's.



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