Thank for the help Guys. Daryl, I did check the 1873 when I got it a few years ago and did come up with 1-22. I haven't checked the 1884 as it belongs to my Son. I was surprised to read that they recommended a heavier bullet in the '84 and wondered if the twist spec had been changed. I will have him bring it over and I will check the twists and slug'em both, hope to get a load that works in both!!!! Cap, I do know that paper patched bullets can be very accurate (after all that what Quigley used!) but am not ready to get into that yet....Thanks again,,,,Ed