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I should check my language (and measurements) before posting. Gentlemen - thank you It is most definately LONGER than the 30-30 class. Just around 2.25 from rough measurements. The GROOVE diameter (not the bore) is .365 with 6 lands. 27.75" long. The base of the chamber mics .435, and the rim cut .511. I had an 8.57r360 case and it fits nicely. Now to order the dies from CH4D. The stock is walnut with some dents but looks thoroughly servicable. 2.75" of drop at the heel. With a pull of 13.5" The hammer was broken sometime in the distant past, but someone took the effort to rebraise it and they did a credible job at that. Overall the gun needs some work but it appears to be correct where it has to be. My only concern is the bullet diameter and although the bore looks ok, I was surprised to see it closer to .366 than .363 like the 9.3x72r. Hopefully by fall I may get the opportunity to take a whitetail with it. Fuhrmann, have you taken that roe yet? Tom |