| Huvius |
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| 15/09/10 02:51 PM |
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Ruger No.1 in 50-110 Winchester
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I picked up this No.1 recently.
I like the idea of a big bore No.1 with a 28in. barrel. A bit heavy, but should be swell for long range fun.
I am not sure who did the work, but they were pretty crafty in using the original sling swivel and barrel band front sight. Just opened them up and rounded the ends. Solder them on and there you go!
Has the usual No.1 issue - safety protrusion is bad on a big rimmed cartridge. Wood is nice though, as many early No.1's have.
| Ben |
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| 15/09/10 06:19 PM |
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Re: Ruger No.1 in 50-110 Winchester
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Nice! Do you have a photo of the round? I've never seen one.
| 450_Ackley |
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| 15/09/10 07:36 PM |
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| Ben |
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| 16/09/10 07:08 AM |
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Thanks! What does the 110 mean? Black powder weight, or something? What are the nominal performance specifications?
| tophet1 |
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| 16/09/10 07:33 AM |
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On the DVD 'Zambezi Extreme' an Elephant gets whacked with one of these from a repo Sharps. Emphatic performance.
| Huvius |
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| 16/09/10 07:38 AM |
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Sort of Ben, it is 110 grains of black by volume.
When I saw the gun for sale, I thought maybe opening it up for a .500NE (with a thicker rim of course) but now think I'll just keep it as is. I bet a 50-110 could be loaded pretty hot in a No.1 if wanted.
CptCurl
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| 16/09/10 10:16 AM |
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Huvius, I would think you could achieve full .500NE ballistics in the Ruger chambered for the .50-110.
Is there really any difference in the case capacity? I just measured a couple of .500 3" NE cases and found them to be 0.568" at the head.
Load up some 570 grain Woodleighs or Hornadys ahead of 100+ grains of IMR4350 and a Fed 215. (My load in the .500 3" is 105 grains of IMR4350). You won't hurt that Ruger, but you might dislocate your shoulder. Just kidding! What does your rifle weigh?
Nice rifle, by the way.
Curl
| Paul |
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| 16/09/10 07:49 PM |
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Would the rifling stabilise a 570-grain bullet? IIRC, the .50/110 fired a 300-grain pill.
Thinking of stubby bullets, I once saw an old Sears-Roebuck catalog that showed a Marlin rifle in a cartridge called .45/83. The impression I got was that it was the same as the .45/90 but with a heavier (405gr?) bullet instead of the usual 300-grainer. Any ideas?
| DarylS |
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| 17/09/10 08:35 AM |
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Paul has a good question. 1st of all, the gun has a custom barrel on it. If it is a GM barrel, it could be a 24" twist, or a 56" twist. I am not familiar with other 50 cal barels, but have heard of 22" up to 15" twists.
If it is a 56" twist, it will probably shoot poorly with 300gr. and even more poorly with anything heavier. If it has a 24" twist or faster, it will be exceptionally accurate with bullets to excess of 600gr.
I agree with Curl, it will at leasy duplicate the .500 NE.
My .50 Alaskan Rolling block made 2,000fps with 500gr. in a 2.1" case. The longer case of the .50/110 will be better yet.
Curl's suggestion is a good one as to initial load - but - measure the rifling first. With slow original-type rifling twists, the 300gr. would be a plains-type game rifle only out to about 300yards max. - if you can hit them, that is.
| Huvius |
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| 21/09/10 11:31 AM |
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Fellas,
Looks like a 1 in 12" twist using the patched dowel technique.
Seems pretty fast to me although the rifling doesnt look as deep as many of my other rifles.
What do you think it would do best with as far as bullet weight and design?
Thanks
| nitro450exp |
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| 23/09/10 01:37 AM |
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Nice rifle, congrats.
Will be lots of fun.
Nitro
| DarylS |
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| 23/09/10 02:09 AM |
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12" is ridiculously fast in my opinion, for a shoulder rifle. Even a .358 doesn't need a twist that fast, let alone anything larger.
Sounds like a barrel specifically made for 1,000gr. bullets from a .5 case. Normal for .5's is around 15" to 18" I think - for bullets to 800gr. I know a 24" twist will shoot amazingly well with 600gr. bullets.
The lighter bullets will shoot - that's a given, but you'll probably want to keep weight to 500gr. or over. It is possible a 450gr. bullet will also shoot.
| KILLERtj |
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| 23/09/10 08:20 AM |
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That is a very nice No.1!!!! I love my No.1 in .458 Lott, congrats and have fun shooting!
KILLERtj
| Huvius |
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| 19/08/11 12:11 AM |
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Just a bit of an update.
I loaded with 80gr. of H4350 - that looked to fill the case roughly to the bottom of a 450gr. Hawk bullet.
I (still) don't have a chronograph so can't even guess at velocities but accuracy shooting offhand is quite acceptable in hunting terms and nice round holes. Easily ploughed through 16 inches or so of dry pine boards and well into the log they were up against. That with the soft Hawks. I can see that a good heavier solid would give good penetration.
This was one of those gatherings where everyone gets a chance to touch off a round or two so no grouping work was undertaken, just a load of fun!
| DarylS |
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| 19/08/11 12:31 AM |
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That's good news. I was concerned the fast twist might 'stress' the lighter jacketed bullets, some. I suspect that is a soft load due to the tiny shoulder and modest capacity of the case. I would think Varget and H4895 will be more suited to such a large expansion ratio.
Huvius - you can probably shoot whatever your shoulder can stand in the way of loads and bullet weight.
| 4seventy |
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| 19/08/11 03:26 PM |
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Quote:
I loaded with 80gr. of H4350 - that looked to fill the case roughly to the bottom of a 450gr. Hawk bullet.
A couple of things concerning the 50-110 Win and the 500NE 3".
The 50-110 is WAY down in case capacity compared to the 500 Nitro Express 3".
The 50-110 case is only 2.4" in length compared to 3" for the 500NE.
That's why your 80 grain powder load reached the base of your bullet.
80 grains of H4350 or similar in a 500NE 3" case, would be a long way off the case mouth and would require a fair stack of wadding to fill the gap up to the base of a 440-450 grain bullet.
I just dropped 80 grains of H4350 into a 500NE 3" case and the powder was well over an inch below the case mouth. Approx 1.180" down.
The 500NE 3" has .6" greater case length and approx 20 thou larger base diameter than the 50-110 Win.
The 50-110 drawing shown above in this thread, is marked "NON STANDARD DIMENSIONS" and should not be used as a reference.
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| 19/08/11 09:16 PM |
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Wonder where that drawing came from? It sure had me fooled! Obviously I'm not familiar with the 50-110, but I am well familiar with the .500NE.
Good points 4seventy.
Curl
| Huvius |
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| 20/08/11 12:21 AM |
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This load produced some stout recoil but nothing uncomfortable.
I think the drawing is about right on dimensionally. Case length of 2.4", OAL of 3".
Some day I will have a .500 3" too. On a large '02 Webley to boot. Should be a wonderful gun.
IMO, the 50-110 in a Ruger is a great gap fill between the mediums and the big NE chamberings and can be built up as a lighter package as well.
| 4seventy |
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| 20/08/11 08:21 AM |
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Yeah, I don't know why the drawing is marked as "Non Standard Dimensions", but the fact that it is, made me wary.
Plenty of case dimension drawings turn out to be wrong.
Cartridges of the World has certainly contained many errors over the years since it's introduction.
Wikipedia can be wrong as well.
I am aware of at least one error even on the CIP NE case dimension drawings too!
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| 20/08/11 09:46 AM |
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What fooled me about the drawing was my own stupidity. I saw the measurement on the outside right indicating 3.000". I took that to be the case length (same as .500NE). I see now it's the OAL. Sometimes your eyes don't see what they are looking at.
I also now remember that the 50-140 is the Sharps cartridge that is most similar to the .500NE.
Silly me.
Curl