Since you've brought it up, I'd like to also hear discussion on the 30-30 derivatives in the Cadet action. A 7-30 Waters Cadet with 20-inch barrel and Stutzen stock has great appeal to me. The same configuration (or perhaps a 16 or 18 inch barrel!) chambered in 357 Maximum is also attractive. I wish I knew where to get an action and who to have do the work?