Tinker That's too bad!! that would have been a bargin at any price, I just wondered about the load for that rifle, must be quite a push no matter what the load. I guess I will just get happy with my Kodiak and save for a 8 bore hammer gun. I had the oportunity to handle one of those guns at champlin's what a rifle!!!

also is anyone still making the 4-8 bore rifles anymore?

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