I'm going to go way out am a limb here and say India. The strangest thing about both of these guns is that there are pins holding the butt plate and t-guard on, even the sling swivels are pinned, in not so nice of a manner. Also those parts appear to be hand made and not of very good quality or of any design I would expect to see on an English piece. There are heavy file marks on all the parts, the metal work is pretty crude, no English or European 'smith would produce a crude piece like these. And then there is the rampant lion, the mark of the East India company. These locks may be of English manufacture, but the rest was made in India....I think....LK