Mike, Yes same gun, Greener said it sure looked like theirs but had no info on it specifically, when i asked about weight he said he didn't consider 9 1/2 Lbs Light for a 10 Bore.I was out shooting it again yesterday. This time with 6 1/2 drams (180 measured grns of Goex 2F ) I was getting 1260 ish Ft/sec but really heavy recoil.Interestingly I was getting almost the same impact foot low , foot right at 50 yards. I tried to recover a ball or 2 but we have 3 ft of snow here and couldn't find any.I was hoping to recover one to see what it looked like. I think the next batch will be pure lead and a little less powder.