Thanks for the tip of Grafs for blackpowder Daryl. I have never found a place that will ship powder for anything close to as reasonable a price as them (although I have never checked Track of the Wolf for powder and I'm sure there are other places I have missed). I am going to do some more experimenting with 2f when I get a chance as I would like a little more power and if it has less pressure that would be great although I don't think I am anywhere near too much pressure with that load.

If I get a black bear with the 16 bore I will let you guys know how it works; I have no doubt that at close range that load will kill VERY well.

Thanks for all your help.

Lane