"GUNGADOUG".... I agree. Much further testing needs to be done.... working on a lot of ideas about adding lube or not to see the potential differences. And yes, a chrony will be tried when I am at a final load as there is a lot of wads coming out and who knows where the "fly". For now, there is no way of knowing where there trajectory might be! My "luck" would be a solid hit on the chrony !! LOL! The red shot cup is near 20 yards from the muzzle now and I have no idea as to where the others are as I did not locate any of them.