Thanks Daryl I was thinking of just putting a patch on one of the .760 balls and push it through the barrell and see how tight it was if it will go through I will try to get it into a shell without a shot cup and see what it will do I am hopeing that it will take the place of the shot cup as I haven't found munch in the 10 bore that has a concave cup to keep the ball centered. I think that that is why the .690 balls were the best ones so far as they would just fit into the shot cup and with the fingers of the cup cut at the midline or just above I could crimp it so it was tight and didn't move arown in the shell. I will be trying them with a roll crimp and hopeing I can get to the range tommrow but probly can't get their till Monday as I try to stay away on the weekends well have a good evening all.

Tom N