Well I went to the range today and shot the 6 loads that I had loaded on sunday. The frist two went just where I was aiming and about 3" appart just at the top of the bull. the next 2 one in the same hole or right next to it but the 3ed one was high about 8" but on left and right and the last two one in with the other 2 and one off to the right about 8" so I had 3 in a group of aroud 3" and the other 3 opend it to about 8" all would have killed a deer but I want a lot better group then this. I think that I will have to get the shot cup cut the same each time as right now I am using just sizers to cut the peddles off the shot cup and their for I might be getting longer and shoter shot cup and that may be what is casing the flyers. I think that next time that I go to the range I will take two targets to see if its one barrell or both.
This for Daryl I have been reading your posts and how does a cloth patch stay on the ball I would think that it would be pulled off as the ball goes out of the hull and unfolds the crimp just looks like it wouldn't stay and keep the ball centered.

Tom N