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jens that is not entirely true, the 12 to the pound rifle were 9,3 caliber of the day from the 3-4 drams round ball load guns that took care of antelopes and worked for selfdefence against the cats, to the 6-7 drams do everything with care (even elephant), to the 9-10 drams "punching holes through everything with confidence" express speed 750-1200 grains bullets. they differ alot, the 2 i got is worlds apart, the 7 pound hollis is a nitro gun that would be in the 4 drams realm, where this gun is a somewhere between the everything with care, and i punch holes in everything with confidence. best regards peter |