Here are some more rounds ready for testing. If the patched rounds don't work- I'll try using larger the patches that come up a bit higher on the sides and if that doesn't work, I'll patch them backwards. With lube on the patches, ball-side, they'll stick to the bullet and be easier to seat on top of the top wad. The pressure of leaving the and hitting the rifling, will move the lube to the outside where it will lube properly. I'm using a combination of SPG and olive oil for these, quite a soft & creamy lube for winter shooting. No telling when the next warm spell will hit. I like it to be above -10 for shooting. Hoping the 'trap' loads shoot well enough for the BP ctg. competition at rendezvous this May and August too.