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thanks daryl i think both you and tinker have made a good point about the use of this rifle, and it will be used for bear hopefully this autom. im afraid that you are right about the 9 drams of black and this gun, but only time will tell. im measuring it up at the moment, because the off face problem looks like it is a matter of a re hooking and thats all, keep fingers crossed. what can one shoot with a 700 grain RB and 9 drams of black. ANY frigging thing he wants....... peter |