Bill---As you stated a while back in this theard your 4 bore gun you view as a 30-50 yard gun, thus, GOEX will be quite satisfcatory for your needs. I use GOEX now and can make ragged holes at 50 yards with my 54 caliber muzzleloader using IRON sites with regularity. You just can't get better than that as far as I am concerned. GOEX is good powder.