Incidently, Francis Seylous once said he'd wished he'd never touched a 4 bore. He stated they ruined his close shooting for the rest of his life. Too bad he was short lived - killed in East Africa during the war - second, I believe. He used Dutch 4 bore smoothbore shotguns for his elephant hunting in very close quarters.

He once shot a bull elephant (or was that John Taylor) with a .600 nitro - rifle doubled and put him backwards on his butt. The elephant fell sideways - only one to ever fall to the off side of the ball or bullet impact. John Taylor, A think. Oh well, only a little .600 nitro, we're talking about big guns.