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https://www.westleyrichards.com/theexplora/an-1884-holland-holland-8g-paradox-the-last-35-years/ https://www.westleyrichards.com/explora/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/HH-10g-Paradox-3720.jpg April 20, 2016 An 1884 Holland & Holland 8g Paradox. The Last 35 Years. The recent auction at James Julia in USA featured amongst its many lots, a large collection of English guns and rifles of the 'large bore hammer variety'. Some of these hailed from the Nizam of Hyderabad's collection. These items raised my interest particularly, Hyderabad being one of the many armouries that my father, Walter Clode was responsible in successfully acquiring during his days trading in India. (which I might ass continue to this day, his last visit, in his 86th year, being in January 2016! ). Hyderabad was the largest and most significant collection he acquired during is days with WR and was a deal completed in conjunction with Malcolm Lyell of Holland & Holland who helped finance it. By Simon Clode Last week a huge crate containing many of the Antique guns from this auction arrived at the factory and it was suggested I photograph them 'whilst we had the opportunity' and before they were delivered to the client who was away hunting at present. 'They will make good material for the blog' I was told, whilst at the same time I was openly asking for help to do just that! Besides being an interesting collection of rifles what aroused my interest was all the paperwork that came with the individual guns, old invoices and letters from the makers regarding the history. There is often talk when dealing guns about the investment value of certain items and here we have some physical evidence. In my opinion the market is in a low period at the moment, a buyers market for sure. As such I believe that many of the guns which passed through Julia did not get as much as I expected. As with any auction some exceptional pieces did very well but the bulk were just so so. This has always been a strong consideration of mine when advising people about auction houses, they are not on the whole a good place to sell guns, quick perhaps also efficient, but it is the volume commission they are after, not the individual sellers best interest. The 8g Holland & Holland Paradox was made for Nizam of Hyderabad in 1893 and from there the history is a bit murky. The letter below to a US resident in 1966 seems to put the Paradox in USA before the main armoury in Hyderabad was obtained. It could have been the Nizam didn't like it and it was returned or he disposed of in an earlier deal, after Partition and the handing in of guns to the police lines when the Maharajah's effectively lost their direct power. We do know the owner who consigned the Paradox to auction paid $4250.00 for it, I will assume that that was probably in the same year David Winks gave him the history which was 1981. So 35 years later and with the additional cost of the restoration and Huey case the rifle achieved a price of $23,000 and I think the buyer got great value, here is provenance, make, scarcity, all the things you look for. The whole only let down by the non original Huey case. I think we will each draw our own conclusion from these details, if we spent $4250 on a car in 1981 it would have perhaps been gone and replaced now many times, an S coupe Mustang would have cost you $5250 and unless you covered it up and kept it pristine who knows what that would be worth. Hopefully this firearm as well as the others he had gave him much pleasure during his life and for sure his investment returned a hell of a lot more than all this electronic junk we surround ourselves with today! For actual information about Paradox guns there is a book, one I am afraid I have never been able to tackle! Paradox - The Story of Colonel G.V. Fosbery, Holland & Holland and The Paradox Rifled Shot and Ball Gun. Hardcover – 2010 by David J. Baker and Roger E. Lake (Author) By Simon Clode |
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What a rifle to get for $23K! |
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The image is undoutably too big to display, but who wouldn't want these two? https://www.westleyrichards.com/explora/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/HH-10g-Paradox-3720.jpg |
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The stuff of dreams........ |
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Very interesting. Referring to the letter dated June 4, 1981, David Winks mentions H & H No. 8862. This rifle is in my collection. It is a Jones Under Lever 8 Bore Rifle. It came up for auction several years ago at Julia & Sons, and I was the successful bidder. It took me the better part of 2 years to collect all the reloading implements, cleaning equipment, and custom cases. It is the crown jewel of my collection. Cheers. Chip. |
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Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Quote: Do you ever get it out to shoot? - Mike |
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Hi, Mike. Yes, do get out to shoot this 8 Bore, although, I have not hunted with it. The brass was custom made by the Rocky Mountain Cartridge Co., LLC. The bullet molds and vintage reloading equipment was made by John Millar of Canada. The spherical balls weigh in at about 920 grains, which makes this a little larger than an exact 8 Bore. The modern die set was made by CH4D. A full set of photos is posted on the Accurate Reloading forum under the Double Rifle subject heading. I will try to post the link here so you can see the set up. Chip. P.S. I possess the original letter from Holland & Holland which was dated June 4, 1981. |
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This link should show photos of Holland & Holland S/N 8862. /eve/forums/a/tpc/f/760101804/m/9021039452]http://forums.[blank]/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/760101804/m/9021039452 Well, I see that didn't work.....I'll have to try something else. |
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Let's try this: http://forums.[blank]/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/760101804/m/902103952 |
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Hello CHIP, Very good, another true 8 bore shooter! Mine is a G.E. Lewis fully rifled double from circa 1879, hammers & Jones underlever. I too got my 8 bore cases from Rocky Mountain and dies from ch4D. Twist is about 1:90 and .855” groove to groove shooting 10 Drams and an .860” round ball. No case, so I’ve never pursued getting all the period correct tools. - Mike |
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A friend of mine Chuck Swinehart owned the big bore double rifle collection sold in the James Julia Auction. He had his collection in a vault in his basement. Walking into that vault was an amazing experience. Over 40 double rifles, almost all Hollands and big bores and tons of accessories. He had the first 700 H&H double rifle built, but that is another story. I think he and Bill Fellstine both ordered one. He lived in Warren Ohio on a horse farm. Sold the collection because of health reasons. He passed away a few years ago. |
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I just wish these old guns could talk , what adventures they would tell us. I hope the new owners will get out and make some new adventures with them (and write them down, put them under the recoil pad). Robert |