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a buddies stainless .45/70 18-1/2" guide gun gets 2,007fps with 400gr. Barnes flat noses

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I have a treasured Marlin 1895 and have killed black bear, deer and one big mean range cow that came after me, all using a load of 402 grain cast hollowpoint at 1640 fps so I know a bit of what I'm saying when I say I think I'd rather throw myself on the mercy of a surly, maneating grizzbar than touch off one of them there loads from that thing.