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daryl im sure you are very good with a pump, but they still are ugly as hell and will never have the balance and feel as a nice SxS, you can bring a M-60 to the forest and that should be abel to kill bears as well, but that wouldent be sporting either.(sorry im rambling its late)my point being that i had the expirence that it is easyere to teach people to hit and hit good with a well balanced dobbel than with a pump or an auto.(you dont play baseball with a 4"x4" unless you have to). in the end it is about hitting with your first shot and let that take them down. i dont know shit about bears only that bigger is better and use enough gun. peter |