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Quote: I have attended several seminars with Barnes while at SCI--the info they have always stated is to start at .050 off the lands and work from there.. for myself on my .280, I used 120 Tipped triple shocks--they are .040 off and shoot under 3/4"...wiht my .25 caliber it is actually .030 off...and shoots about the same size groups... Plan to use some in my 220 Swift as well... As BigMax stated, I too am a big fax of the A-Frame and will continue to use them..however one advantage I think Barnes may offer is that you can go to a bit lighter bullet for caliber --so a bit flatter trajetory which can be desirable here in the West where 200, 300 yard shots and beyond are not that uncommon..Which is what I did with the .280 this year..went from the 140 gr bullet at 3040 fps to a 120 at 3260fps...not that much difference ...probably more psychological...but it worked very well...and while I know that in some cases the heavier bullet may retain more velocity at longer ranges, it was not the case as I ran tests to 500 yards... Ripp |