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Daryl- Here would be a good place to discuss patch lube too. Thick patches=good success for me too. Murphy's and Castor Bear Oil Lehigh Valley Oil and Bee's Wax These all have worked for me. The various and sundry yellow camphor-smelling store-bought products have also worked for me. What's working for you lately? How are you adjusting for the cold season? Cheers Tinker |