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I use cold water. Nothing else, and I tend to re-use my cleaning patches after a soak and wash. After a full cold water patching and scrub with a fiber brush if necessary I oil with bear oil that I rendered from a coastal black bear. I have no rust or pitting problems at all. Holland and Holland still recommend plain water as the best cleaning solution for black powder guns and rifles. As a note, I don't run corrosive priming compounds, and I don't run imitation 'black powder substitutes' Cheers Tinker |