Daryl The range was 50 yards. I had one group that I was very plesed with but I can't sean to repeat it that one had 4 rights and 4 lefts inside a 5 inch group at 50 yards left and right was right on but it was 6 to 8 inchs high. That was the same balls and patchs with 100 2f with card wad over powder I though that I had found the load but it hasn't shot like that sence. also got the letter this week that I have gotten back into the gun club here so I will be able to shoot as much as I like. Thank TomN