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well, don't find my 1927 georg roth catalog just now there it is, iirc, the 11,6x82R 450 this is the german-austrian version of the 450 3 1/4 BPE the case follow the measurments of the older 450 BPE with coiled case http://old.municion.org/450/450Boxer.htm ![]() there you see it the conical base with a long cylindrical body follow this old cartridge in the 1908 RWS catalog this kind of express cases are called german design ![]() they offer also the express cases "after Eley-London" which have the measurments you find on modern brass. ![]() I fear you need a special sizing die |