Thanks Daryl. I have IMR-4895 and I believe there's also some H-4895 in the shop. I'll try one or both. Can't have any more silly results than before. I have Trail Boss and use it in old cartridges in rifles that aren't Nitro proofed. I've had good results with it. I have 5744 but so little data and have not worked with it enough to be familiar with it.