i finaly got around to taking some pics of the proofmarks & the other markings under the wood. neither one has any makes names anywhere on them.
here are the markings & proofs from the top rifle.

pic of the top of the receiver, has some simple engraving & the color case hardening isn't as faded as it looks in the pictures

here markings from under the wood on the bottom rifle

pic of the top of the receiver