| RHB |
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Need information on a Mauser in .30-06
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Hi all!
A Mauser in .30-06 has come up for sale and I am considering it.
Based on the photographs could some of you identify the type, give me a rough idea of its date of manufacture and it's current market value.
I do not want to drill and tap the receiver for a scope mount but may have to use a scope. Considering which, is there any other way of fitting a mount on this rifle? If not, what would be a good mount for this rifle?
Incidentally, could someone tell me where I could buy an original or after-market fore-sight hood for this rifle?
Thanks.
Rustam
| m4220 |
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| 15/12/08 02:22 PM |
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Rustam,
WOW! Thats a beauty! DonS is probally the best versed on these and their values, lets wait and see what he has to say.
m4220
| paradox_ |
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| 15/12/08 02:24 PM |
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Thats a Type "A" made around mid 1930s, snap it up before someone else does!!!!, dont evem think about drilling and tapping it , you will destroy much of its value
Looks like a nice clean , original example.
| RHB |
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| 15/12/08 03:26 PM |
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m4220 and paradox, thanks a lot for the replies. I was hoping it would be a Type A, so am especially glad to hear that.
Incidentally, the majority of the pics were taken a few days back to send to Mehul and another friend and were taken at night. Incase the quality isn't good enough, please let me know and I will take some in daylight.
Regards.
| Paul |
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| 15/12/08 03:52 PM |
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I notice it has the grooved rear edge of the front receiver ring like the post-war FN Mausers. Does this suggest it was a military .30/06 originally, or was the groove more common than I think?
| paradox_ |
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| 15/12/08 04:00 PM |
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Gidaye Paul,
The indent, you will often see on a 30-06, This is most definitley not a military Mauser.
RHB , You are most welcome , as to price, whatever the owner is asking, it will be cheap!!! Thanks for sharing, and the pics are fine.
Eric
| pjaln |
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| 15/12/08 04:25 PM |
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nice gun could have been imported into india by j. manton as many of them were and most likely would be marked on top of the barrel , a type A is worth anywhere from 3500usd - 9000usd depending on its importance, like the osa johnson rifle for instance which was listed for 8500usd ,i know were there is one as we speak for around 5500usd in xlent cond,,sight hoods someone else was looking for them too, try searching the archives .......good luck ...paul
| BFaucett |
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| 15/12/08 04:45 PM |
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Quote:
paradox wrote:
Thats a Type "A" made around mid 1930s, snap it up before someone else does!!!!, dont evem think about drilling and tapping it , you will destroy much of its value
Looks like a nice clean , original example.
Yep! Don't even think about drilling and tapping it!! IMHO, it would be a sacrilege to modify it. Just to add to Paradox's post, that's an original Oberndorf Mauser sporting rifle. ie: the "real deal". IIRC from my readings there were only about a total of 125,000 Oberndorf Mauser sporters made (of all types). It's looks to be a real beauty too! I'm jealous!
Buy it!!Thanks for sharing the photos with us!
Cheers!
-Bob F.
| RHB |
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| 15/12/08 07:39 PM |
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Gentlemen,
Thank you very much for the responses so far. An Oberndorf Type A is a rifle that I have always wanted and I never imagined I would come across one in good condition in India.
I did not know that only 125,000 Oberndorf Mauser sporting rifles were manufactured. Since that is the case there is no question of me drilling and tapping the receiver or changing the originality of the rifle.
Thanks and regards.
Rustam
| Stephen_Palos |
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| 15/12/08 09:35 PM |
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Rustam, I agree! If you want to fit a scope rather look for a double square bridge version. They fit better in a hobbyist drill press!
Seriously now, that's a beuty and must be a pleasure to hold and point. Get it fast, I think I saw something on CNN about India reviewing their gun laws. It's always sad when a terrible incident sparks off irrational, knee-jerk, anti-gun legislation
PS. Speed's book puts it as 1934/5
| paradox_ |
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| 15/12/08 11:08 PM |
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ob,
Mauser made around 12600 plus actions, but not all were made into Mauser factory rifles, as many actions, and sometimes barreled actions ?? were supplied to the trade, eg John Rigby &Co
The lastest I have ever owned was an "S" Type numbered 126500ish if memory serves my right. I can tell you that the quality of that particular rifle was fantastic by todays standards, but not n the same street as the 30-06 that RHB has.
I will try and post a pic of a Kurtz Type A that I once owned.
Eric
| RHB |
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| 15/12/08 11:20 PM |
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Stephen,
Thanks very much for the date of manufacture. I should have ordered Speed's book a long time ago but never thought I would get the opportunity of owning a Type A. Instead I have Ball's book on Military Mausers. I have every intention of ordering a copy once I am back from my holidays.
This rifle does come up very well. However, I am unable to appreciate it fully as I have a cataract in my right (aiming) eye and hence, unable to get the front sight in focus. Once that is removed in January, I hope to enjoy shooting this rifle.
The GOI really amazes me with its stupidity at times. Instead of promoting RKBA, they go to the other extreme.
| dons |
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| 16/12/08 12:22 AM |
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This is a great conditioned Type A Oberndorf built for export in 1935. The express sights add to the value. Nice caliber too. If this rifle is somewhere in the $6000-7000 range I would not hesitate to buy it. Any alterations to this rifle would be a crime punishable by death.
| 9.3x57 |
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| 16/12/08 12:42 AM |
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I figured Dons would pop up here and from the looks of that rifle I figured he'd pop up with a fistful of dollars! That's a dandy! No rust below the woodline. Somebody really cared for that gun.
Get both of Speed's books {Original Maser and Archives} and Olson's, too. Try IDSA Books or Rutgers Book Store. I believe they ship overseas. Or have Mehul haul them over next time he visits. He'll have to pack light... Those books are heavy!
Really nice rifle and thanks for posting.
| bpesteve |
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| 16/12/08 01:58 AM |
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A very nice type A! It's unusual to see both a 'gauge' mark and the detailed bore-groove-twist numbers. Gauge marks mostly ended around WWI; 172,28 indicates the bore (not groove) diameter would pass a .300" plug but not a 156,14 gauge (.310") plug. The 7,62 7,82 250 show the bore groove and twist length in mm.
Good luck with your cataract surgery - you'll like the change!
| RHB |
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| 16/12/08 03:00 AM |
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Don, thanks a lot for the reply. Is there any way of knowing which country this rifle was exported to? The only alteration this rifle will see is an oil finished stock. The stock was refinished at some point but this was not done very well as some sanding marks are still visible under the lacquer. Fortunately, oil finishing gun stocks happens to be a hobby of mine so I should be able to do justice to this fine rifle.
93x57, I was equally surprised to find that there was no rust below the wood line. Thanks for recommending the other two books.
bpesteve, thanks for explaining the numbers and your good wishes.
Rustam
| dons |
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| 16/12/08 03:21 AM |
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Rustam: Since it is not distributor marked, my best guess is that it was exported to the US market. That guess is based only on the caliber. How it ended up in India...???? Nice to see Mauser's like this end up in appreciative hands.
| RHB |
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| 16/12/08 04:11 AM |
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Don, your surmise is also shared by Mehul and John (Grumpy). They also mentioned that Type As were usually meant for the U.S. market.
After I finish working on the stock I will put up a few pics in the Mauser picture gallery.
Regards,
Rustam
| Lynx |
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| 16/12/08 04:26 AM |
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This rifle does come up very well. However, I am unable to appreciate it fully as I have a cataract in my right (aiming) eye and hence, unable to get the front sight in focus. Once that is removed in January, I hope to enjoy shooting this rifle.
rhb,
what a beauty, make sure you get to own this rifle & never part with it. In the faint possibility that you continue to see a fuzzy front sight/rifle... and loose interest, I'll take it.
lynx
| RHB |
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| 16/12/08 04:50 AM |
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Lynx,
If you are good boy I may just gift it to you....when pigs take to the wind.
Incidentally, you are number four in the queue.
| pjaln |
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| 16/12/08 04:51 AM |
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RHB, i checked your serial number against the griffin & howe archives and the number did not come up ,like i stated in my earlier post you being in india there is a good chance the gun was imported by J.MANTON OF CALCUTTA the only thing is he usually marks it on top the barrel.
DON: if your really interested in a 30.06 type A ,i know were there is one just as good if not better than this one for just under 6k P.M. me ....paul
| RHB |
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| 16/12/08 04:59 AM |
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pjaln, there are no distributor markings on this rifle.
Thanks for looking up the number.
Regards.
Rustam
| mehulkamdar |
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| 16/12/08 07:56 AM |
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Rustam,
Didn't I tell you that this would be the best place to ask any questions? You won't find a more helpful group of people anywhere else. The only problem is that they keep tempting people to spend more money.
Let me know if you want any of the books and I'll pick them up and have them sent over. There should be someone from Quinnox to send them through.
And you still haven;t posted pics of your work on the Brno sidelock over here - please post whenever you find time.
I'll call you in the morning, India time. In the meantime, Congratulations, buddy!
| mehulkamdar |
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| 16/12/08 08:00 AM |
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Paul,
Manton and Rodda still exist as gun retailers in India under Indian ownership. One of them also owns the P Orr and Sons records. However, if the rifle was originally imported into India, it would definitely be marked with the importer's name. As far as I know, that was mandatory under British law.
I also found a very interesting article on proof marks used in India recently. Apparently, the British administration in India had its own system of proving guns that were imported here without being proven in London or Birmingham. My guess is that this rifle would have been privately sold there, possibly by an American hunter who happened to hunt at some time in the past.
Now, if only the rifle could talk . . .
| pjaln |
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| 16/12/08 09:53 AM |
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you think it would talk,,he did threaten to tap it!!!!....paul
| RHB |
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| 16/12/08 01:34 PM |
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Thanks Mehul but what or who is Quinnox?
I am going to be out of station from 21st Dec. to 2nd Jan. I will order Speed's Original Mauser and Olson's Mauser Bolt Rifles, to start with, after I return.
I am taking it to a friend's place to test. He is an experienced shot and has exceptionally good eye sight.
Incidentally, what I mistook for pitting turned out to be a false alarm. Yesterday morning I switched to Sweets 7.62 and the bore came out clean as a whistle after the fourth application. I added two more applications just to be on the safe side. I will be testing it with Winchester Super X and S&B. Both are 180 grain rounds. Couldn't get the Federal cartridges to test. I will post the results here later in the day.
Take care.
Rustam
P.S.: I did post a few pics of the ZP49 in the shotgun section. I think this was earlier in the year.
| mehulkamdar |
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| 16/12/08 02:09 PM |
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Rustam,
Quinnox is Inder's company. They always have someone or the other traveling from Chicago to Bangalore. If you want me to buy the book here and send it across it would be no problem at all.
In any case, I'll call you in a little while.
Cheers!
Paul,
I'm lucky I don't have anything to drink at the moment or my keyboard would need some cleaning.
Cheers!
| RHB |
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| 17/12/08 12:49 AM |
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Hi Mehul,
I will talk to Inder after I return from the holidays. Thanks.
We were unable to get a 100 yard range and had to settle for 75 yards. My friend, Omer, fired four rounds on one of those Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-See targets. We were using a cushion on top of my car as a rest. The first shot hit the centre, the second 1" to the left at 10 o'clock, the third was 1" from the centre at 4 o'clock and the fourth shot was 1.25" from the centre at 2 o'clock. He then patched the holes and proceeded to shoot his .244 H&H and .375 H&H double. Since that target was a mess and confusing, I drew a square on the box and used that as a second target. Omer shot first and since I couldn't resist shooting the rifle I took the last two shots of the day. Omer was aiming at the black circle in the centre, whilst I was aiming at the bottom black edge. My two shots measure 1 3/16" c-t-c.
| RHB |
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| 18/12/08 03:17 AM |
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There are a couple of things I would like to add to this rifle to make it as original as possible...
1) Could someone post a picture of the front sight hood that was or may have been used on a Type A during the mid-30's?
2) I have an original Mauser sling, albiet a modern one, but the QD swivels I have don't suit the rifle. Could someone also post pictures of the sling swivels that were or may have been used on a Type A during the mid-30's?
3) Last but not least, am I right to assume that the express sights on this rifle were regulated? If so, could someone tell me what was the average velocity of 180 grain .30-06 rounds produced in the 1930's?
Thanks.
Rustam
| RHB |
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| 26/02/09 02:36 AM |
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I also found a very interesting article on proof marks used in India recently. Apparently, the British administration in India had its own system of proving guns that were imported here without being proven in London or Birmingham.
Mehul,
Would it be possible to post that article here?
I ask because someone on IFG had the following to say, "Oh yes, and your rifle has been sold with the approval of 'THE RAJ' as the embossed 'Arm with the saber' suggests."
I am assuming he is refering to one of the cross type stampings seen in the picture below. I did ask him to idenify the concerned proof-mark but have not heard from him.
Thanks.
Rustam
| dons |
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| 26/02/09 03:21 AM |
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Rustam:
The "arm with the saber" is the British nitro proof. It is not one of the marks shown in the photo above. I will email you a photo of NP proof.
| RHB |
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| 26/02/09 03:40 PM |
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Thank you, Don.
For those who would like to see the proof-mark, here it is...
Could you tell me what those 'cross' type markings (just ahead of the receiver) denote?
Lastly, is my front sight missing a gold / silver / ivory bead?
Thanks.
Rustam