i will agree with kudaes point that there have been lower times in the english gun trade ,,many here who are saying that teh new rifle looks and feels like a cz may not remember about 18 years ago when the company was still in england a rigby ordered in 416 was actually built on a cz bottom metal and all ,,they dont get much uglier ,, so i will give my best to marc newton and whoever else is involved it seems that they are on a much better track than where roberts left of in the 90,s ....paul