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rpeck
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29/05/14 03:23 AM
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BRNO 21F
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My Brno 21F:
Caliber is 8x57S. Completely unaltered 100% original, in "near new" condition, maybe fired a few times, with a perfect bore, made in 1945. To me it feels much lighter and handier than the later Brno ZG47 type.
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Very Nice. 
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John303
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29/05/14 12:42 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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I'm a fan of the 21-22 Brno's and one like yours is about as good as it gets.
Mine is a 22H in 7x57 and I have everything but an original bolt for another in 8x57,
going to use a reg. military bolt till I find one. --- John
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30/05/14 06:02 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Rpeck, how does the flag safety work on this modified shroud; lift part way or completely up?
Interesting - wish the CZ550's had a better bolt shroud than they do!
Speaking of that are CZ finishing up the CZ550 model now?
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NitroX
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30/05/14 02:31 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Lovely rifle.
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Igorrock
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31/05/14 03:02 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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I just bought similar safety from eGun and going to install it to my FN m98 mauser.
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Beautiful piece of crafts manship!
cheers
Chris
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Re: BRNO 21F
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R Peck,
I have a modest collection of BRNOs. I have never examined a Model 21 made as early as 1945. I am friends with the gentleman that edits the BRNO section of the BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES - note that it shows the lowest observed serial number at 14,410. Since that issue was published, not less than two lower numbers have been found and confirmed. I would like to see a picture of your number an proof year if you do not mind. Change to email format: beartrax at consolidated dot net.
Thanks.
From the BLUE BOOK:
MODEL 21
6.5x57mm, 7x57mm, 7x64mm (scarce), 8x57mm, or 8x60mm cal., featherweight style design of the small ring Mauser type action, with (post-1949) or without 20mm dovetails on receiver ring and bridge, 20 1/2 or 23 in. barrel, butterknife style bolt handle, double set triggers, 2-leaf rear sight, checkered pistol grip walnut stock with cheekpiece and plastic buttplate/grip cap, small Schnabel forend, sling swivels included, noted serialization is 14,410-40,604, mfg. approx. 1946-1956.
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Sville
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02/06/14 02:57 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Looks nicer than later zg47 types, how is that bolthandle to work with?
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rpeck
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03/06/14 04:27 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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I don't mind sharing the serial number. It is 6033, dated 45 on barrel and action. See photos of this and the serial number stamped inside the stock as well.
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rpeck
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03/06/14 04:57 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Quote:
Rpeck, how does the flag safety work on this modified shroud; lift part way or completely up?
Interesting - wish the CZ550's had a better bolt shroud than they do!
Speaking of that are CZ finishing up the CZ550 model now?
93x64mm
As I recall its pretty simple. "Up" locks everything, "down" everything is released. I've never taken it apart to see how it works but it seems simple, quiet and effective and is in a good place for the thumb to reach.
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rpeck
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03/06/14 05:15 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Quote:
Looks nicer than later zg47 types, how is that bolthandle to work with?
It works fine...good enough for me anyway...I prefer the flat handles in general, but when they are attached nearer the middle of the bolt, like on a Mannlicher-Schoenauer, they are easier to lift (When they are on the end of the bolt, like on a Mauser '98, there is always some sideway twisting of the bolt). But in my experience cock-on-opening bolts do not lend themselves to rapid fire anyway. If you want to shoot fast with a bolt action, my experience is that the cock-on-closing designs will generally cycle faster (rifles like the .303 Lee-Enfield or the various earlier Mauser 92s, 96s, etc.) However, my game, mostly deer, moose and coyotes, are generally ambushed with a single bullet, with a possible second shot used only as a coup-de-grace. The only time I remember really needing a fast second shot (big bear coming in fast), I didn't have any trouble cycling the bolt very quickly. That was with a Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional with a flat-type bolt handle.
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03/06/14 08:57 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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My understanding is this is not a Model 21, as we have come to know it. In fact it is the precursor to what became the " 21"/"22"
I will dig out the model desigation and advise. Note this model has no bolt guide.
I do know of one for sale in 7x57, as as well a later square top in 7x57 ( rifle). Please PM if there is any interest. They are very nice rifles. and very under valued.
Best
Eric
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Igorrock
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03/06/14 06:32 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Yes, m21/22 with integral scope bases comes after WWII, year 1947. This rpeckīs rifle is probably older model which manufacturing begins 1937.
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rpeck
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04/06/14 12:18 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Quote:
Note this model has no bolt guide.
Best
Eric
This rifle has a bolt guide.
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rpeck
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04/06/14 09:16 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Quote:
R Peck,
I have a modest collection of BRNOs. I have never examined a Model 21 made as early as 1945. I am friends with the gentleman that edits the BRNO section of the BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES - note that it shows the lowest observed serial number at 14,410. Since that issue was published, not less than two lower numbers have been found and confirmed. I would like to see a picture of your number an proof year if you do not mind. Change to email format: beartrax at consolidated dot net.
Thanks.
From the BLUE BOOK:
MODEL 21
6.5x57mm, 7x57mm, 7x64mm (scarce), 8x57mm, or 8x60mm cal., featherweight style design of the small ring Mauser type action, with (post-1949) or without 20mm dovetails on receiver ring and bridge, 20 1/2 or 23 in. barrel, butterknife style bolt handle, double set triggers, 2-leaf rear sight, checkered pistol grip walnut stock with cheekpiece and plastic buttplate/grip cap, small Schnabel forend, sling swivels included, noted serialization is 14,410-40,604, mfg. approx. 1946-1956.
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04/06/14 05:59 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Interesting
The one I have here has no bolt guide, or raceway cutout. Would like to see pics of yours to compare.
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rpeck
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04/06/14 11:01 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Igorrock
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17/06/14 12:26 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Quote:
I just bought similar safety from eGun and going to install it to my FN m98 mauser.
Today I just intalled this safety to my Mauser and have to say that itīs very good item. Some parts needed little alternations but after that it works very good and quietly.
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rpeck
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26/06/14 02:29 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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I hope this doesn't cause any anxiety among pure collectors, but I am thinking of having this rifle drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Because I want to use it and it deserves a good scope. I have nice old 26 mm steel tube Swarovski 4X with perfect glass. It is one of the nicest scopes I have ever used. Very bright, with great color. Right now its on my Brno #5 .22. Any suggestions on what mounts to use? I would like some sort of European mount, not EAW though.
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Igorrock
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26/06/14 03:16 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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There is two alternatives; EAW or Recknagel. If I would be in yours situation I would use sidemount. Such mounts allows you to use scope but donīt ruin yours rifles beautiful fore and rear bridges.
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Tentman
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27/06/14 05:06 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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If it were mine (and make no mistake, I like to hunt with rifles so they need to be scoped) I wouldn't drill and tap it. Any "good" smith who knows his stuff can do shop made mounts that can take Talley or other rings. The bases are sweated on with solder. While it needs to be done right to be "bullet-proof" it is removeable, although getting the last of the solder out of the stippling on the front ring might be a bear. The front base can also go on the reinforce.
If you care to email me at foveauxsailor@gmail.com I can send you photos of such bases on two of my rifles.
Cheers
Foster
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28/06/14 04:02 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Gorgious
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rpeck
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12/07/14 12:06 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?335607-BRNO-21&p=2972556#post2972556
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rpeck
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31/08/14 07:47 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Bought another one. 1948. I'll post some pictures later.
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BWK375
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24/10/14 12:18 PM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Nice Rifle. I own a 21 in 7x57 with a single trigger. I was told it was made pre WW2. I'll post some pics in a new thread later.
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Re: BRNO 21F
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CZUB have a short history of the post WW2 rifles, inc ZG47 and all the ZKK and assorted CZs in their 2014 Yearbook which I just found on the Czech website.
Sorry if you already know this.
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rpeck
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25/10/14 09:22 AM
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Where is the 2014 yearbook on their site?
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Re: BRNO 21F
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Right here:
http://www.czub.cz/en/download.aspx
Some great info on the history of the Brno ZG47 and ZKK in addition to the others... thanks for the heads-up 
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Re: BRNO 21F
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I just joined the fourm and found this site on the Bruno's. My wife and I have a Bruno that we have had for almost 45 years and this is the first time we have found any information on (her) rifle. It is a square bridge 7X57 that was made in 1951. At one time it had a side mount for a scope. I put a weaver 4X on it in about 1968. I used a shim under the clamp for the weaver rings, and it has not moved in that amount of time. We used to call the rifle " the butcher", for anything we shot at died! Made two of the longest shots at game in my life with this rifle, well over a thousand yards at a couple buck mule deer. One does some unusal things when you are young and dumb. It's a 23 inch barrel, with a small schnoble forend, double set triggers, and spoon bolt. It has had the safety replaced this last year, for the original safety would let the bolt come open while carrying it over the sholder with a sling. It would then eject the round out on the ground. Must have lost several boxes of rounds over the years. I replaced it with a Vorere (I think that's the name) safety that locks the bolt. It's a really neat little rifle that will be passed on to our son. Best regards, Oldhunter.
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