Thank you all for the replies. I have looked at these types of rifles off and on over the years but keep coming to the same conclusion. I want one. From reading thru some of the posts in this forum, and from past articles, I dream to own one in the above caliber or the 6.5x54. Around here, our game is by no means large so either of the above would be perfect. And with the short lighter weight of these, a perfect for our type of hunting