93mouse
(.375 member)
26/11/07 09:45 PM
I have been to the bottom

Saturday morning I ended up what I was doing for last 3 years – hanging around one of the nastiest corner of my hunting grounds looking for Him.
He was an old chamois goat that eluded me for so many times – I managed to see him 3 times but either it was out of the season or I managed to get just a glimpse of him on departure.
Till this Saturday – I was passing regular chamois pastures – actually I didn’t expect to find him there, but one never knows. There was a small herd of females with kids and a medium aged goat (it is rut time now).

So I went on – approaching His favourite region, when suddenly I have heard something on the left – down the slope. I took a peep over the ridge in the dark pine wood dotted with some rocks. Down – some 60m on a steep slope, behind an old stomp I have noticed chamois hump with tuft stating it is a goat – further more being brownish instead of black indicating it could be an older animal. I waited till he raised his head and I instantly knew - its him – faded whiskers with thick and pitchy hooks – hooo. I shouldered the rifle and waited for him to move out of the stomp so I would get a clear shot. But as he would expect something he just stood still. Minutes dragged into what seemed an eternity. But suddenly a lone swirl of the wind just whispered over my back – sending a clear message to Him. In two jumps he was on the edge looking back at me – fast – cross on his hump and – boom… first thing I have noticed after the shot was a falling branch some 5 meters in front of Him – chamois leaving the scene with stiffen gallop – not the way he was supposed to when reasonable hit with 9,3x62 19g TUG bullet – bad, bad…

At the spot I found way too much of hair and way too little of blood…I knew I was in the poop – just how deep? Time was 9.30 AM – I waited for half an hour – and put my dog on trail. Trail was going directly down the 250m steep slope, cross the water creek and up on to next slope – bad, bad…up for 150 m and over the ridge – dang there he is – ill in bed - looking at me – trailing sling down – step on it - rifle off the back - up the shoulder…baaaah - to late - he is already up and disappearing with long jumps down to canyon - bad, bad…Dog is off – baying on the way – disappearing down, barking is getting quiet till I cant hear anything but roaring water down the canyon – bad, bad…fast descent and up the next slope on the ridge to get better audible point. Slope is steep – breath taking – reaching the top – finally.



Oh and behold there I can hear an echo of low baying – she is there with Him – but down – way down – oh dear – bad, bad… Down the slope we go – again, across the creek – no way to follow the water it is obscured with fallen trees – up the next slope, not too high there is a rocky wall – just beneath – clayey, slippery – careful…no go – down some – here is the passage over the ridge – down, up…and down again – for the last time – there she is – baying at the waterfall...



But where is He? Easy now – I don’t want to flush Him now – what is that black blur beneath the waterfall – rifle shouldered peeking over cross – yes it is hairy – its him – on the shoulder – boom – he falls into pool…



It is over…after 1.5 hours…





Well not quite – there is a song ringing in my ears – it is by Yazz:

The only way is up…

Oh dear…



“Now we may not know, huh,
where our next meal is coming from,
but with you by my side
I’ll face what is to come

The only way is up…bad, bad…

To cut it short – if you have read “The old man and the sea” – well that’s the way it was…4 hours later I was out.



Was at the bottom - but in fact it was a peak…


Michael
(.275 member)
26/11/07 10:25 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Mgnificent story and beautiful pictures you truly hunt in God's own garden.

I look forward to your posts as they are not only informative but a window into a hunter's world that we never get to look at.

Thank you once again.


500Nitro
(.450 member)
26/11/07 10:39 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom



93

Absolutely superb - thank you, that is a wonderful story backed up by great photos.

Thanks


iqbal
(resigned as a member)
27/11/07 12:26 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Really very interesting and your style of narration is unique and very life like.Well done.

9.3x57
(.450 member)
27/11/07 01:31 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

OOOOH 93!!!

What a great hunt!

You not only design a great building, you build a great story!!

I swear this ground could be ours...but in October...

Your country looks like it is about a month behind us in weather, so the questions come...

What elevation are you?

What precipitation per year?

Do you get much snow? We are in blowing snow now.

If I blindfolded you and dropped you in the hole off Gold Ridge "up the Joe" I think you'd feel you were home, except where are the chamois???

AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS!

GREAT PIX, GREAT STORY, GREAT HUNT!!


EricD
(.416 member)
27/11/07 02:40 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

A great story with great pictures 93mouse! Very impressive terrain, dog and game!

Erik


DDouble
(.300 member)
27/11/07 02:49 AM
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Cheers to you and your hunting buddy for hanging tough on the tracks.

Dante


93mouse
(.375 member)
27/11/07 06:23 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Thank you guys - there was just one thing missing to make a picture perfect and that is 15 cm of fresh dry snow (would cost me even more). As I write this I still have wooden legs like Pinochio for sake - cramps in the legs were realy getting me at last climb. There was a section where I had to unload the rucksack - tied it to a trailing sling and pull it up. Its funny how most simple barriers like 50 cm step, a tiny fallen tree or a branch cought up on you drive you to despair - bit by bit .

It is a realy remote area (I bet if there are fairies and dwarfs livin in our places they must be there ). Sometimes you can struck upon an old red stag, big bear or a tusker boar there - however forget about getting the meat out. Hunting is hard - wind is very unpredictable and once you rouse the game they just clear the area. Many times there are none to be seen and you are chasing ghosts, while at times you strike big time. No paths, no GSM signal for a cell phone with couple of bear dens there, so you need to watch out. Usually you report to one of the friends before you enter those quarters - broken leg ect. would be a considerable problem.

Guys this one realy count sky high for me - I was living with that chamois for 3 years and it was a goal that was ever present in the back of my mind , so now I am realy facing an aching void...

Oh - there is more to it that may make it a bit easier to overcome - He had an old injury on his right hind leg - old shot - and began to grow grey cataract on his left eye.







Due to all this he was extremely careful and with all above said held at least 3 aces all the time.


500Nitro
(.450 member)
27/11/07 06:48 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom


93mouse

Sounds like you need to do a good long warm up and get out for a small walk and a very little climb to get rid of the stiffness in the legs. About the right length of time since Saturday.

Top stuff and well done again.


Nakihunter
(.375 member)
27/11/07 11:23 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

93mouse
That was a wonderful story & a great hunt for a worthy old trophy. We have Chamois & the snow in New Zealand. The terrain could be very steep & dangerous. We just have different trees & bushes. I hope to hunt them along with the Himalayan Tahr (a mountain goat).




Congratulations


93mouse
(.375 member)
28/11/07 07:46 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Great modernity - just scetched the goings on Google earth - red is a trail and green the way out (slopes are much steeper in reality):



Marrakai
(.416 member)
28/11/07 09:19 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Wonderful story, 93mouse.
Hunting a worthy adversary on foot is tremendously satisfying, although in the case of your chamois it was not all good, good.....
So pleased your persistence won out in the end.
Congratulations!

Love your dog: his ears are nearly longer than his legs!


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
29/11/07 01:11 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Finally got the photos to load up on my PC with its slow connection!

Congratulations on your fine chamois trophy. And hard earned too.

Your hound is a great hunting companion and no doubt a great element in your success.

As for fairies and dwarves living in the depths of the valleys, probably an odd goblin hiding behind the waterfall too!


9.3x57
(.450 member)
29/11/07 01:31 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Thanks for posting the Googlearth.

Wow. I wondered.

Our countries look like cousins...

I am only 2 points latitude farther north than you {47N vs your 45N} and elevation here runs 2000 to 5000+ feet in the area {2700 here at the house}, hovering right around the similar 2000 as the Googlearth you posted. Looks like you go down from 2000 {?} where we go up, and that might help explain the 8 inches of snow outside my window here right now.

We get about 82cm precipitation per year here, most falling as fall and spring rains and winter snow. Very dry summers. What is yours?

No cell phones and only dialup internet here also {takes six or seven tries just to get this post to download! }. Walking out my front door you can go 150 miles and not find a house, paved road or building.

Having packed elk and bear out of those holes, when I say again congratulations, I mean it. Congratulations!


xausa
(.400 member)
29/11/07 04:44 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Naki,

Is that an in-line muzzle loader you're using? If so, what a way to handicap yourself!


xausa
(.400 member)
29/11/07 04:46 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

93 mouse,

What a marvellous command of the English language. I am truly impressed.

I have been unable to decide what breed your hunting companion might be. Too long legged for a dachshund, so .....? Perhaps a Beyerischer Gebirgs-Schweisshund?


JabaliHunter
(.400 member)
29/11/07 06:09 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Quote:

Perhaps a Beyerischer Gebirgs-Schweisshund?



Definitely looks like one to me - Bavarian Mountain Hound. Very popular in Europe for tracking game and becoming more common in the UK as well.

93mouse - Great pictures and great story. Thanks


Paatti
(.333 member)
29/11/07 06:55 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

I'm not a professional but for me it looks Bayerischer gebirds schweisshund but it also could be hannoverscher schweisshund. Both are rare breeds here in Finnland.

9.3x57
(.450 member)
29/11/07 07:13 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

I'd call it a darn good dog!

peter
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29/11/07 07:43 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

93mouse

damn good story, thanks a lot

i love your pictures it makes the story complete and it really comes alive.

regards peter


NitroXAdministrator
(.700 member)
29/11/07 02:08 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Quote:

Quote:

Perhaps a Beyerischer Gebirgs-Schweisshund?



Definitely looks like one to me - Bavarian Mountain Hound. Very popular in Europe for tracking game and becoming more common in the UK as well.




Gentlemen,

Do a search on "93Mouse's" posts. He has posted some previous threads with great photos of his dog and tracking game. Very interesting. He has had some great hounds.


Nakihunter
(.375 member)
29/11/07 02:51 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

xausa

Those pictures are of a guide with a client. I am lot better looking than that! You can see me with the ugly bear!

Cheers
Ashok


93mouse
(.375 member)
29/11/07 06:25 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Guys it is a 6 years old BGS bitch named Bora - just a note - in case of tracking chamois its esential that dog isn't "too sharp" so to say - it shouldn't try to bring down the wounded animal because on a terrain like this it may prove fatal - both chamois and dog may fall over the cliff...there was a sort of contact here - bitch has an app. 1 inch wound from a chamois hook on her neck:



and chamois had an fang mark right under his right eye:



Fortunately all turned out well.


André
(.333 member)
30/11/07 02:12 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

93mouse, quite an impressive head for a goat. How old was she ?

93mouse
(.375 member)
30/11/07 06:30 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Andre it is a boy - 12+ (in his 13 th year)

Chasseur
(.375 member)
30/11/07 06:36 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Mouse,

Thanks for posting the wonderful story and the great pictures. That was a beautiful area by the waterfall.

Cheers


hoppdoc
(.400 member)
30/11/07 07:22 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Great story!!

It seems like it's always ugly,dark and down in some hole when you have to go down to get a special one!!


93mouse
(.375 member)
30/11/07 09:50 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Gentlemen the pleasure is all mine - it is always nice to share things in such a nice society!



André
(.333 member)
01/12/07 11:33 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

OK, it does indeed look like a buck. That's why I was amazed you mentioned "an old chamois goat" in your post.

9.3x57
(.450 member)
02/12/07 12:17 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Quote:

Great story!!

It seems like it's always ugly,dark and down in some hole when you have to go down to get a special one!!




There are places around here I no longer elk hunt because 1 climb out is one thing, but 7 or 8 trips to get the whole carcass out is quite another thing. I have done that on occaisions and now with age, gray hair and dare I say it...wisdom, yes, that's it...avoid it if at all possible. As for bear, that is different game entirely as we have no control over where they tree or bay up. Of course, we don't HAVE to pull the trigger on a treed bruin, but a bayed bear sometimes demands it. Getting them out is tough stuff. There is a fellow around here that is a butcher. He packs his knives and a saw to the animal, along with freezer paper and a tarp. Right there on the spot the entire critter gets cut-and-wrapped and all superfluous bone and non-edibles are left for the yotes. THAT is good thinking. Then it's only 3 or 4 trips out!!


93mouse
(.375 member)
03/12/07 10:01 PM
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Old buck taking a revenge - wound that bitch got from a chamois developed into a haematoma - so I had to reopen the wound and let the blood and pus out - lymphatic gland got swollen too, but as I wright this down (with a healthy dose of antibiotics) condition is getting better...

JabaliHunter
(.400 member)
04/12/07 03:53 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Quote:

OK, it does indeed look like a buck. That's why I was amazed you mentioned "an old chamois goat" in your post.


You've lost me

93mouse
(.375 member)
04/12/07 06:18 AM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Jabali - it must have been a "linguistic" difference - I assumed the goat refers to a male while Andre thought I meant female. One of the differences in sex with chamois is a shape of hooks - if you look them from side - males are usually shorter buth thicker with more like "U" shape, while with females horns are thinner but longer with shallower - more like "L" hooks.

Here is a pic for ilustration - left 1 yo male, right 16 yo female:



André
(.333 member)
04/12/07 09:45 PM
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93mouse is assuming correctly. I assumed that a chamois goat is a female, while a male would be called a buck. Isn't that so ?

armbar
(.300 member)
07/12/07 05:03 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Mouse,

Fantastic story, thank you.

Is that public land that you hunt on? Here in the states we hunt on National Forest land that anyone with a tag (for the particular animal ie bear, deer) can legally hunt on.
Are there many other hunters that you have to compete with?

Also, I've used Google earth to look at country that I haven't been to, and I agree, it's always steeper than it looks on Google!

Nice going!

Armbar.


93mouse
(.375 member)
07/12/07 08:16 PM
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In Slovenia game is a property of the state, no matter where (public or private land). Hunting areas are out on lease to the Hunting associations (around 200+ of them) that pay for land based concessions. Owners of the land where concession is leased, have preempted right to membership. Concessions are leased for 20 years (new law proposal is 10 years). Previous leaser has a preempted right on next concession period. Inside our association (60 members) we divide the hunting ground in smaller parts that 4-5 hunters should take care for. On our concession (6000 Ha) we shoot 40 red deer, 30 wild pigs, 120 roe deer, 8 chamois...per year...

It is a good system that supports wild life on long term and offers a lot quality hunting if one desires. We inhabited this system from communist times, but now there are growing appetites from landowners to claim the game for themselves – it will be a blow to the wildlife and hunting rights no doubt.


armbar
(.300 member)
08/12/07 05:24 AM
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It sounds like a decent system. Is it expensive?

Armbar.


93mouse
(.375 member)
10/12/07 09:41 PM
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Not at all - in fact it can't get cheaper I guess - membership fee is ~ 100 €/year - you get 12 issues of our national hunting magazine included. However in our local society you have to work out min. 25 hours in the field - you get a permission for 1 trophy/present year. If you work 50 hrs you get 2 trophies and for 75 hours you get 3 trophies/present year - it is only permission inside quota available - who comes first... If you can't work out minimum 25 hours you have to pay 15€/missing hour and you get that 1 trophy permission but can't upgrade i.e. can't buy 2nd and 3rd trophy permission. Nontrophy game is considered management and there are no restrictions inside quota available - in fact you are more than wellcome to take as many as you can.

P.S. Trophy animals are: Bear, Boar (male tusker), Red stag (grown male), Roe buck (grown male), Chamois (both sexes - grown animals)...


EricD
(.416 member)
11/12/07 02:57 AM
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Quote:

However in our local society you have to work out min. 25 hours in the field - you get a permission for 1 trophy/present year.




When you mention that you have to work in the field for a minimum of 25 hours, what does this mean? Thinning brush, planting trees etc?

Erik


armbar
(.300 member)
11/12/07 04:19 PM
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Mouse,

I'm curious about the bears. What kind do you have over there? Similar to our Black Bears? How big are they?
Are they common?

Thanks,

Armbar.


93mouse
(.375 member)
11/12/07 07:12 PM
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Yes Erik stuff like that: First thing in the spring is distributing of the salt into salt lickers and clean up of puddles from fallen branches, stones…later (April, May) boars hit the meadows and we patch up the turf so we can cut the grass lately, dry it and store it in feeders that game visit frequently in the winter when natural food become scarce, we also plant some corn on our own fields – after pheasant hunts in October we collect the corn and distribute it in the feeders as well…there are old high seats to be repaired and new ones to put up…stalking trails also have to be maintained every 3 years or so…lots of work to be done and it is a great way to introduce youngs to the hunting – they get the feeling that hunting is not just about shooting, it also intensifies hunters bound to the hunting ground and the game – you simply care more.

Armbar we have Brown bears (Ursus arctos) here. They are frequent - you stumble upon one at least 5 times/year and they are more of a nuisance than anything else (tho I like them). Grown males can reach over 300 kg here (old ones around 20 years old) ~ 150 on average, while females are smaller ~ 120 kg on average.


93mouse
(.375 member)
30/04/08 05:37 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom



“If I succeed - to get the hooks…
…and a shaky tuft - of Goat,
Then all the rest is vain - I know”


tarawa
(.333 member)
09/05/08 10:00 PM
Re: I have been to the bottom

Thanks for sharing this great experience.


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