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what about the para-ordnance i got one in the P-18(9mm) version and it is such a well made gun, that i highly endorse the maker to anyone. on the other end of the scale in europe we can still get the norinco 1911 super low cost but as reliable as an ak-47, i got one in a dbl stack 9mm(15 rounds) i tossed in a new barrel and worked the trigger and it is as well shooting as most midrange guns i have tryed. best regards peter |