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Some of you may have seen me mention this on other fora. Last time I docked a litter of pups (Jack Russell), none exhibited vocal distress for longer than 6 seconds. Within 30 seconds they were all feeding. Within 2 minutes they were all playing. Any one of them displayed greater and longer distress over thunderstorms , agressive older dogs or (in one case) having it's toe trodden on. Don't give me rubbish about this being "cruel"... Cooch |