I was most surprised by the rate of twist myself

I have just rechecked with a rod halfway down the barrel which makes it clearer

1/4 or slightly less for 13" gives it a twist of 1 in 52 - 1 in 60 which is more realistic

I have 2F so that is the way I will go when I can get it to a range

Daryl - I will use your upside down plastic cup (If I can get them) with BP and plastic hulls with grease cookies behind, or just a milk carton wad

Many thanks for all your input

Tony