Hi guys, went to the range today. I just loaded four rounds, two each with 97 and 98 gr of H-4831 respectively. That is the same load I use with my DGX loads. While I achieved passable hunting accuracy, (4"@ 50) that's over twice what I am getting with DGXs and Woodleighs. Bullet hole geometry was almost identical to what I get with the aforementioned bullets so that is a good indicator in my view. I just need to figure out a way to bump up the speed but like I mentioned before, I'm running out of case capacity and I do not want to change powders (H-4831). I can cheat a bit I suppose by seating them out farther, but I am loathe to run into pressure issues with the bullets too close to the lands. Too bad there isn't anybody that has experimented with the 450NE and the CEBs so I could use that as a starting point. I think I can get away with 99-101 gr and still seat to factory OAL. jorge