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06/10/10 08:46 AM

Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

After too many months... finally i found a nice classic english double rifle that i was able to pay. It was not cheap but it was affordable for me... and i bought it in an auction.

The rifle was a Cogswell and Harrison, and i imagine that it was affordable because of the caliber, a bit old fashioned and unusual 375 NE 2 1/2. When the double arrived to Spain was not as beautifull as is now... but a slow process of restoration... and now it has returned to my home.

Here you have some pics... i am really in love with the gun. According to the manufacturers, it was made in 1912... and i can assure you that shoots perfectly.

The blue colours now are really beautiful, and it is an amazing old rifle, in my opinion. I just wanted to show you this nice old rifle, that has been my drem for many months, and now is a reality.

Just a small question for many gun collectors with much more experience than me. I have been able to get dies, and only 20 shells of this caliber. i would need information where to buy more shells, and some recomendations of loads for him. The barrels say that is regulated for 270 gr bullets with 40 gr of cordite.

Thank you

JM

Spain

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06/10/10 08:49 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Just a detail of the wood stock.
Really nice walnut stock in reddish colour.

JM

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06/10/10 08:56 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

JM,

Very, very nice! The old Coggies are still much loved in India where many of them were sold. Did you restore her yourself, or did you get this done by a gunsmith? Details, please!

And, of course, hunting pictures will be eagerly anticipated now that you have served the appetizer. Waiting for the lovely main course . . .

Good hunting!

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10/10/10 01:23 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Also a useful medium game caliber, well done, great choice.
What will you hunt with this one? I imagine it will be lethal on red deer and boar.

Good luck with it

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10/10/10 02:24 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

great rifle and a fine medium cartridge for spain
because I have a mannlicher for this round was also looking for brass. the best way imho is to resize it from the new Hornady 405 Win brass.
270 grain bullets only available from Woodleigh now but you can also contact Wim Degol in Belgium who is making first class bullet that you can compare with the australian stuff.

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10/10/10 07:02 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Nice!

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10/10/10 08:06 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Pardon me but is that the original buttstock/ cheeekpiece?

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11/10/10 04:51 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Chemarq:

I have send you a private message

Antonio

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12/10/10 04:22 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

If you look back in the archives you will find that I bought some new brass for my 1902 Webley in 375 X 2.5" from Horneber. You may want to search under Oldbrit for my postings about that. Converting from any other calibre required more work than I am equipped for (i.e. a lathe).

Since then I've been loading the Horneber brass and I have no complaints about his quality, only his delivery times. It you're going to buy from him make sure he's got the brass in stock before you part with your cash.

I got the best results with Reloader 15 and had no difficulty matching factory ballistics (see below) with gas checked cast bullets. I've also tried AA2520 but it's very fine grained and I felt that I was getting powder into the primer pocket. A square of tissue tamped down into the case prior to charging with powder fixed it but it's a fiddle I don't need. I've also had good results with AA5744 for reduced loads in my single barrel rifle. I am going to try IMR 3031 sometime but haven't got around to it yet.

I also obtained a small supply of original Kynoch ammuntion made in the 1930s. One of the five round boxes was open with only four rounds in it. I pulled one and it indeed had a 270 grain bullet and 40 grains of Cordite. I shot the other three off and found they averaged about 1950 fps with a low velocity spread. When I have time and the patience to figure out how to post pictures I'll list photographs of the rifle and the ammunition.

Hope this helps.

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12/10/10 08:43 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Ok, let's see if I can sort this pictures thing out...

My Webley was originally fitted with a scope in the factory but sadly that has gone the way of all flesh.

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16/10/10 02:02 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Quote:

Also a useful medium game caliber, well done, great choice.
What will you hunt with this one? I imagine it will be lethal on red deer and boar.

Good luck with it

My main objective id wild boar, hunting in thick forest, this is a suitable caliber for short distance shots.

Red deer usually force you to shoot a bit longer distances... and i will hunt with the 300 H&H, much more lethal in medium-long distances.

Thanks
Jose

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16/10/10 02:05 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Quote:

If you look back in the archives you will find that I bought some new brass for my 1902 Webley in 375 X 2.5" from Horneber. You may want to search under Oldbrit for my postings about that. Converting from any other calibre required more work than I am equipped for (i.e. a lathe).

Since then I've been loading the Horneber brass and I have no complaints about his quality, only his delivery times. It you're going to buy from him make sure he's got the brass in stock before you part with your cash.

I got the best results with Reloader 15 and had no difficulty matching factory ballistics (see below) with gas checked cast bullets. I've also tried AA2520 but it's very fine grained and I felt that I was getting powder into the primer pocket. A square of tissue tamped down into the case prior to charging with powder fixed it but it's a fiddle I don't need. I've also had good results with AA5744 for reduced loads in my single barrel rifle. I am going to try IMR 3031 sometime but haven't got around to it yet.

I also obtained a small supply of original Kynoch ammuntion made in the 1930s. One of the five round boxes was open with only four rounds in it. I pulled one and it indeed had a 270 grain bullet and 40 grains of Cordite. I shot the other three off and found they averaged about 1950 fps with a low velocity spread. When I have time and the patience to figure out how to post pictures I'll list photographs of the rifle and the ammunition.

Hope this helps.

It seems that Horneber discontinued this caliber..is not in their list.

http://www.huelsen-horneber.de/frame_engl.html

You ordered many years ago ???

Jose

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16/10/10 05:55 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

horneber will make what ever you want...
but it can be that you wait 2-3 year's for your brass

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16/10/10 09:29 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Quote:

horneber will make what ever you want...
but it can be that you wait 2-3 year's for your brass

I would prefer to find some brass earlier...

I have 30 brass and i can start shooting... but i feel more confident with 100 brass to work with...
That is teh reason because i am looking for some more.

Jose

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16/10/10 10:11 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

As I received my brass only a couple of weeks ago and I only bought 100 I would assume he has some in stock now. His production runs must be in the thousands to make setting the kit up economically feasible. And no, it never was on his web site.

I've got some original Berdan brass knocking about but getting the primers is the problem. I did consider drilling it for shotgun primers for reduced loads but the arrival of the Horneber brass put this idea on hold. Has anybody ever tried this with old Berdan brass?

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16/10/10 10:24 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

P.S. If you don't fancy Horneber you can try Kynamco, they sold me my first lot of Boxer brass...
http://www.new-kynoch.apt-sites.com/

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16/10/10 10:37 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

(I'm settling on this thread for this subject as it's getting confusing.)

Jeff Gray suggested that there may be problems getting Kynamco brass out of the UK. I'm not aware of any restrictions (I live about an hour's drive away from Kynamco). Would Jose have problems importing them into Spain?

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17/10/10 07:50 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Hi Oldbrit,

Suggest you have another look at my post, I said that it WOULD BE POSSIBLE to get it out of UK but would need an Import certificate to get them into Australia from UK. If Kynamco is made by Bertram
( NOT ALL ) then go direct to Bertram. Their Email is.: b.bertram1@bigpond.com as they have no active website.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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17/10/10 06:06 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

I don't know if there's any export problems but Jamison International has 375 flanged brass. You could drop them an email and ask if they'll send some to you.

http://www.jamisoninternational.com/category-s/21.htm

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24/01/11 11:56 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Buffalo arms sell it also. Not cheap.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,190.html

website won't work. Search 375 flanged. $100 for 20 Bertram.

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27/01/11 03:40 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

I think NORMA of Sweden makes ammo for this caliber...

http://www.norma.cc/content.asp?Typ=55&a...Nitro%20Express

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27/01/11 04:04 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

no, this is another cartridge, the 375 Nitro Express flanged magnum
if you are looking for new ammo there is a guy on egun trying from time to time to sell new kynoch softpoint ammo for 5 euro per round. iirc he had over 120 cartridges and will give probably a discount if you take them all.

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27/01/11 04:09 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Igorrock .375 NE 2 1/2 is not .375 H&H Fl.

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29/01/11 08:00 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Thanks for the correction.

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02/02/11 08:51 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Quote:

Igorrock .375 NE 2 1/2 is not .375 H&H Fl.

Really the 375 NE 2 1/2 is quite a slow cartridge.
Not suitable for dangerous game... but effective against wildboars or bears in short distances.

Best regards
Jose

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24/11/11 03:59 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Hola Chemarq,quien hizo la restauracion
Saludos

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24/11/11 04:42 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

As I also reload this cartridge may I please ask Chemarq what load he settled on?

doubleriflejack

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02/12/11 06:20 AM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

The very first double rifle I ever bought, in 1970, was a Cogswell & Harrison .375 2 1/2." It was much the same as yours, but not restored, of course, as yours is. Odd, that my stock grain pattern looked much the same as yours too. Eventually, I sold it, but now have, in my rather large collection of double rifles, several other doubles in same caliber, including one hammer gun, a Hollis, in prime excellent almost unused original condition (regulated for the 300 grain bullet), and a wonderful Westley Richards (regulated for the 270 grain bullet) that will shoot horizontal groups of one to two inches for as long as you care to shoot. Frankly, my C & H wasn't nearly as accurate as any of my present doubles in this caliber. Originally, my C & H came with many cases, made by Norma and marked .303 British, but cases were made longer and formed into .375 2.5" (I still have and use most of those original cases, though I don't have the C & H anymore). We don't have any trouble getting cases or bullets here in America, and I use a lot of Hawk bullets; find them most suitable. I have killed a lot of deer and similar sized animals with this caliber. It really isn't that slow in velocity, at around 2000 fps (similar to most all the British express cartridges at around 2000 fps), but, of course, compared to the flanged or rimless .375 mag., it is slower.

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02/12/11 01:18 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

Due to it's longer case and longer barrels, although held to lower pressures, the .375 2 1/2" pretty much duplicates the .375 Winchester, which is a 2" case, but run at up to 53,000psi.

They are wonderful ballistics guys - do not underestimate them. The two moose I shot with my wife's (now mine) .375 Winchester died in 1 1/2 and 4 steps respectively. That's faster than dozens of others I've seen shot with everything from 6.5's to .458's. It's also faster than any I've seen shot with 7mm and .300 mags. I'm not saying they are more powerful, just that in those instances, the little 'pokey' round killed faster.

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08/12/11 03:45 PM

Re: Cogswell & Harrison 375 NE 2 1/2

.38-55 - .375 NE 2-1/2" - .375 H&H Magnum

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