AK Mike no you didn't say anything bad about the owners, but based on the sum total of one complaint you and others have seen fit to fix a label to these guns, and as infered by another poster there is something about fools and their money. I personally need to see more evidence of problems with these guns before I start to consign them to the scrap heap, regardless of price. Also I know that Watto was speaking about the u/o and in fact I have used a friend's (9.3x74R) on a hunt in the Northern Territory a few months back; but seeing as you are calling them all crap I thought that Watto's experience may be of some value, just for perspective of course.

Also I would like to note that I never sought to represent myself as a person in the know of Remington and their testing results; if anyone does know they more than welcome to post the results here otherwise we are all acting on heresay and that is never a good idea.

Please don't tell me to "chill out dude". I am quite chilled, just keep to the facts, that is all I ask.