Dugaboy1 - I'll take your word for it. I threw the "newspaper" (not sure what else to call it!) away after reading it. The 38k price for the three would seem to be about right for 3 ea rifles. I didn't read the ad terribly carefully as I have no interest in any of the cartridges advertised. What I have been following, though, is the (more or less) constant advice to avoid the rimless cartridges, despite no reported problems with rimless cartridge double rifles from any number of board members. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but I found it somewhat amusing to note a current manufacturer making rifles/barrels for all three case types. I'd suspect fewer parts, and less critical tolerances with the rimmed cartridge extractors/ejectors, but with all of the comments I've read to date, it appears to be "belts and suspenders" are better than "belts" if you are concerned about your britches falling off. Mebbe so...If I ever find a need for a cartridge/rifle more powerful than my 9.3X74R Chapuis, I think I'd step up to something with the .458 bore size, 450 NE preferred, but a .458 at the right price would be hard to turn down. Pilgrim