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Itīs a shame that I can't compare loads with most of you people, because I only have used French Tubal powders sofar! I'm considering trying American stuff one of these days... My 470 load: 106 grains of Tubal 7000, 500gr Sol/RNSP woodleighs, CCI 250 primer and Norma brass (plus energetic crimmping) for 2170 f/sec and nice groupings from my Krieghof. The chronograph is a must to keep it under control and you even find out that factory ammos from Fed. come out at around 1900 f/sec, Kynock a little better and A-Square around 1.400 from the same double |