Dan,

Call it being, "just to strict" or what ever, but right now

I am calling the A&N 450NE for 15K at Champlins "over weight"

@ 11 pnd, 5 oz. My "line in the sand" for 45 - 47 cal rifles

is 10.75 pnd and I'll go 11 pnd even for 475 #2 and up to 11.5

for 500 NE. So call me "crazy" you won't be the 1st...