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At the risk of being tarred and feathered I'll have to admit that I own several DR's with rimless extraction. I hunt with them and shoot them for pleasure. I've never had a failure to extract or eject. One is a .300 Win. Mag. which admittedly breaks all the rules. I hunted with it in Colorado for elk in terrible weather - wet snow and light drizzle - for days. Never a problem. I hunted with it in Northern British Columbia for black bear, killing two in the process. No problems. Now mind you, when I come back to camp in the evening my first priority is care for my rifle. This applies whether I am hunting with a top quality DR or a lowly piece of bolt trash. I have no doubt a DR with rimless extraction is likely to give trouble if not properly maintained, cleaned, and cared for. That holds true for a DR with rimmed extraction also. Do I believe rimmed extraction is more fool-proof? Certainly. Does that mean I will shun a DR with rimless extraction? NO! We can all be armchair theorists and conjure the finest design in the comfort of our homes. But there are many viable choices in life. If you ignore all other choices in favor of one that is theoretically better you have denied yourself many fruitful opportunities. JMHO, Curl |