OK, why don't we accept two persons have two different opinions of them. It isn't always necessary to agree.

In the end the market determines the perceived 'quality'. If someone buys the rifles offered for sale, and they end up keeping them, using them and liking them, and perhaps oneday selling them for a profit, then they would still be happy.

Quality can be a very subjective assessment.

Keep posting photos however and the discussions of the rifles, as conflicting opinions can be educational.