| banzaibird |
| (.333 member) |
| 08/06/06 09:20 AM |
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Re: H. Quinot .450 3 1/4
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400,
We both seem to be speaking english yet I seem to be having the hardest time communicating. So I'll break down each section with questions.
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Nitro for Black is black powder,
So you are saying that Nitro for Black loads used black Powder? Or is it nitro powder that was loaded to a pressure limit consistent with the original black powder loading (This is what I stated in my original post above.)?
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To make a distinction between Nitro for Black and Black is factually wrong. Nitro for Black is black powder pressure and black powder proof ONLY. There is nothing Nitro about it. The decision to proof some Black Powder Express rifles, like this one, with the semi-smokeless substitute and mark them as nitro proof was a terrible, terrible mistake as the above question clearly illustrates.
What? Whether you feel it is right or not that is what they did. Sure it's confusing but what isn't when it came to the British and there guns? The guns where proofed with a nitro proof thus they were/are distinct from the guns that carry only a black powder proof. Sure the pressure was kept within the limits of the blackpowder proof but it is still a nitro proofed gun. Thus there is someting "nitro" about the gun. Or am I missing your point?
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Nitro for Black is NOT "Light Nitro".
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The Light Nitro used 80 grains Cordite with a 650 grain jacketed bullet.
Ok this I'm open to. However you also give some loadings for the 577 2 3/4" that I can't find in any books or any of the old catalogs that I have. The specific load is listed above. I did find one reference to a "tropical" load but it isn't reffered to as light nitro either. Could you give me the source of your info? Could you also give other examples of differences with the Nitro for Black and Light nitro loads?
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Nitro for Black loads were loaded with lead bullets to make them easily distinguishable from the Light Nitro and full Nitro versions which are not safe to fire in a BPE rifle, which is what an NFB rifle is.
In the couple of catalogs I have along with those reprinted in the back of Graeme Wrights book they show the bulk of these loads where metal based copper tube bullets. Again would you mind quoting your data.
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Sorry, but, Nitro for Black is NOT "Light Nitro". If Wright said otherwise, he's wrong
This one might be my own confusion of linking "Light Cordite" and "Light Nitro" to be the same thing. In his book he states. "The nitro for black cartridges were often headstamped 'L.C.' to indicate a Light Cordite loading." Then he repeats the same thing on the next page. So are "Light Cordite" and "light Nitro" referencing the same load? Or did I simply draw a parallel that isn't there?
Please don't take any of this as I want to fight. What you posted simply isn't matching up with the other stuff I've read learned. I ask questions simply because I'm still trying to learn.
Bill