I figured it had to be something like that. As I said I have a few in my gun safe and know from measurements that the actions on some of them are identicle. I have a couple of Sauers and Simsons that are one the bolstered frames like Merkel uses and have Merkels and Simsons on frames that are usually seen on Sauers.

Simsons seem to be a little better in fit and finish. What are the thoguths and feelings of these makers and guns from the German prospective? I'd like to here who's guns the germans feel are better quality than the others.

I have recently acquired a second Joseph Kuchenreuter. They aren't fancy guns but they seem almost flawless inside and out as far as workmanship.

Bill